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Old 04-27-2010, 01:54 PM
 
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Who is allowing them? the Federal Government and the State of Arizona are deporting them, whats the problem?
What they meant is why do the pro-advocates want them to be allowed to remain in this country. It wasn't that hard to figure out.
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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What they meant is why do the pro-advocates want them to be allowed to remain in this country. It wasn't that hard to figure out.
if that is what he meant, why didnt he write what he meant?

Your spin makes sence to you, because you spinned it.

let people answer for themselves.
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Old 04-27-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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No need for round ups. That is a fabrication and misinformation.
Enforce the laws. Make life to difficult and they will self deport.
The hispanic community needs to take a stand against illegals. They in the past have at the very least been silent partners in this problem.
No different than whites remaining silent when they know the rednecks who do hate crimes against minorities.
Too many Politicians fear the hispanic vote. The hispanic community needs to take an active stand against illegals it is that simple.
Granted, the roundups are nothing more than dog and pony shows so the sheeple will think that something is actually being done about illegal immigration. But, if these raids actually strike fear in the hispanic community, as apologists and enablers claim (why would that be if they're here legally), they need to be stepped up dramatically in order to make life here much more difficult for illegals providing ever more pressure for illegals to self deport. Unfortunately tribally ethnocentric legal hispanics aren't going to take a stand against illegals. Public opinion will deservedly be more and more resentful against legal hispanics because of this. You don't have so many republicans going after the hispanic vote anymore, just your usual hispanic ass kissing amnesty democratic politicians. Hopefully the Nov elections will be very telling against the amnesty democrats.
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Old 04-27-2010, 08:35 PM
 
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if that is what he meant, why didnt he write what he meant?

Your spin makes sence to you, because you spinned it.

let people answer for themselves.
Sometimes people just don't comprehend what they read or choose not to and I know of no rule where I am not allowed to help clarify someone else's post when it was as clear as day to me.
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Old 04-27-2010, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Ah!...what the hell, I'll give it a try but I'm getting sick and tired of arguing with a bunch of fanatical, right wing, radicals who smell blood over this issue and are foaming at the keyboard.

You first point, "You are against illegals". Well good for you, so is everybody. The hispanic American community is against illegal immigratin also. So am I. Let's all work together and get Washington to close the borders once and for all. There is nobody who is Pro-illegal immigration. This term is another right wing attempt to create enemies where none exist and inflame the people against anyone who is not for rounding up every hispanic at the point of a gun and putting them in cattle cars bound for the sonoran desert.

Your second point, "You are for legal immigration". That's nice, a baby born in America is a legal citizen. It's the law. Are you for that? I thought not.

Rioting in Arizona???? What a load of *******s. The demonstrations have all been peaceful and well organized. The only incident was when a trailer trash redneck tried to walk through the middle of the demonstrators physically pushing them away to let him pass. Inflaming the situation, just as you are trying to do now. At least the Hispanics don't bring guns to their political rallies like tea baggers do. (Oh, the jury's out on the refried beans and swastika caper as to which faction did this. Tapes are being reviewed now)

Nobody is saying the illegals should have amnesty. Amnesty is a term used by right wing foamers like you to inflame the situation and target every Hispanic as the enemy. You assume that all Hispanics are for Amnesty so they are the enemy. You will not stop until your racist agenda is fullfilled. As far as I'm concerned you and your kind are the biggest threat to a free America that exists. I, and others are getting sick of your f**king lies and distortions. As far as being able to stay in this country, how about you explaining to me how you would propose culling and forcibly removing 15 to 20 million people from the fabric of American society. I already know your answer, bubba. "Ship em all back to where they came from." And that's as far as your little mind can think. As I stated earlier, you and your ilk are the real problem as far as I'm concerned.

There are seasonal crops that need to be harvested all over the country. Legal Americans could apply for these jobs if they wanted too, but they don't. Not all illegals work in the fields. Many work in the service industry and have witholding taken out but because they are illegal they can never get a refund. Besides, 47% of Americans do not pay taxes, so whats the big deal?

The illegal immigration problem has been going on for decades in this country. It didn't start yesterday. There are common sense solutions to the immigration problem.

1. Immediately close the borders using federal troops if necessary.
2. Demand that all illegals in this country be required to register with an immigration board set up for the purpose. Anyone not registering should be immediately deported.
3. Any with an American criminal record should be deported immediately.
4. Issue temp. work permits for any illegals who are here and can show employment. They will have to have their permit renewed every year by showing continued employment other wise they will be deported.
5. Crack down on employers who hire undocumented people.
6. Overturn the "baby born here" loophole.

There are other measures that can be taken once the borders are secure but I'm not going to write the whole measure here, in this post. But realisticly, this above measures should cull 25-35% of the illegals here in the country and send them back where they came from over time. The rest should have to take a number and get in the back of the line behind legal immigrants and wait their turn. Because of the volume. many will never see their number come up.

But after all is said and done you and your kind don't want any reasonable solution to this issue. You are dying to see the black vans with swat teams raiding neighborhoods and rounding up every Hispanic in the area and throwing the ones without papers in the back of the van, never to be seen again while harrassing and humiliating the rest. I, for one do not want to see my once great nation come to this. That's why I say again, you.....and your kind are the real enemies of our country. Frankly, I'm sick of the fascist idiots who are coming out from under their rocks and trailer homes over this issue, trying to inflame the country into a full blown race war.

Soon enough, bubba, the talking will stop and you can bet your fat butt that the Hispanic community will not take this lying down or go peacefully into the night while a bunch of red neck honkies try and denigrate them to second class citizens.

BTW, I'm not Hispanic but as far as I'm concerned you and your right wing, fascist, racist, low brow a**holes can take your mean spirited agenda and shove it where the sun don't shine. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. And no.....I'm not in the least bit sorry for the rant.

Sick of it!!!!, Do you hear? Sick of it!!!!

(I guess I'll take a break from this crap. Not good for the blood pressure)
This is the USA: either toe the line or leave. Obviously, you would be happier living in another nation like Mexico. I have a problem with you upholding a bunch of criminals (illegal aliens) while in the same breath putting down AMERICANS whom you perceive to be beneath you.

PS: I am a liberal in a lot of regards-----------illegal immigration is one of the few 'Lib/RINO' causes I cannot and will not support.
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Old 04-27-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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Wake up on the wrong side of the bed, didya?
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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If all the sides could work together for a solution then we could leverage the federal gov. into taking the actions to solve this problem. Amnesty is definately not the solution nor is deporting every single one by rounding up every single hispanic in the country to figure out who is here legally or not. There has to be a middle way.
Yes there's a middle way. Don't do the round ups, no door to door searches. That's not necessary. Don't reward them with legal status or citizenship just because they chose to break the laws, certainly that's unfair to those who respect the laws and wait their turn. And certainly rewarding people for coming here illegally doesn't solve the problem of high unemployment of Americans and still millions of people moving in or planning to do so.

Leave them illegal for one. Cut off the enticing government handouts like food stamps and WIC as the reward for giving birth here. Just because they're here illegally should not entitle them to free hospital care, free rehab, and just because they gave birth shortly - often just days or hours after arriving shouldn't get them a free pass.

Don't do door to door searches but deport them as they make themselves known, and most of us are 100% for very harsh penalties on those who employ illegals. No one would complain about the employers and their get-rich-quick plans of bringing in illegals so they can pay less than legal wages and provide no benefits. There's your compromise.

When the pro-illegal side will demand the restaurants and stores - Walmarts etc that hire illegals over Americans be shut down and human traffickers and coyotes put in prison for years, and demand the government enticements come to an end -- the two sides have reached an agreement.
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