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are illegal immigrants able to get driver's licenses? if they are, we should close that loophole. why bother having laws at all if nobody wants to enforce them?
how hard is it really for people to carry ID? i find it pretty lame that people have a problem with having ID on them. if you were hit by a car or anything really you would want ID anyhow.
I would like to know this myself. It's been a while since I got my first driver's license (and when I've moved, I only had to turn in my old one to get a new one), but when you get a driver's license, you have to show proof of citizenship. So...if you've got a driver's license, you've got proof you're a citizen. Shouldn't most people (especially adults) have a driver's license? Those who are here on work visas have a work visa that is the same size as a license. This declaration that anyone with "brown skin" will have to walk around with a 3-ring binder full of papers totally ignores reality. A driver's license, credit card, green card, work visa...they're all the same size and can easily fit in your pocket. As someone with my fair share of speeding tickets, whenever the police pull me over, they ask for my license and registration. They'll do the same to anyone speeding or running red lights (or any numerous reasons for getting pulled over) and if you can't produce a valid form of id showing you're here legally, you are sent to a holding area until you can prove it or you get deported. The reason this is important is because until this bill was signed, the police couldn't ask for documentation...not from white people, not from the guy driving the van full of dozens of illegal immigrants.
The most important thing in this bill, I believe, is that businesses who hire illegal immigrants can be turned in by citizens. You can't control illegal immigration if you don't hold those who are hiring the illegals and paying them miniscule wages responsible. It will also get the word out that Arizona is taking this issue seriously. California started taking steps to curb illegal immigration and the immigration routes switched over to Arizona. If Arizona gets the word out that it's tougher to be an illegal in that state, they can all go through New Mexico (where they like to call Arizonans "racists"). Let the NM's deal with it.
are illegal immigrants able to get driver's licenses? if they are, we should close that loophole. why bother having laws at all if nobody wants to enforce them?
are illegal immigrants able to get driver's licenses? if they are, we should close that loophole. why bother having laws at all if nobody wants to enforce them?
No, LEGAL immigrants can get their drivers licenses but illegals can't.
When you go to get your license, you must show proof that you're a citizen (birth certificate) or that you've been given permission to live here legally. If you're on a work visa, you get a special license that indicates it's only good for a certain period of time.
It's also the reason why Arizona has so many states that they don't accept licenses from. In most states, you move and show your old license in order to get a new one. In Arizona, the list is a long one of licenses they don't accept, which means in order to get a license, you have to bring in all the paperwork indicating you're a citizen. Arizona has fairly high-tech licenses and also have the fingerprinting thing on them too because they've had such a problem with forgery. When I lived there, somehow someone got a hold of my license and made a forgery. Because it had my fingerprint on it, eventually when the person who had my license was pulled over, she was arrested. But the police officer who investigated this came to my house and questionned me to make sure I hadn't sold my license for money (many do) and then told me that they believed this person was using my identity for years before they were caught. Luckily it didn't have my social security number on it...they just used my name and address and changed the photo.
What they need to do nationwide is introduce stiff penalties for employers that hire illegals and possibly jail time for employers that hire illegals. The employers that hire them are practicing modern day slavery and this needs to be stopped.
They also should check immigration status when applying for welfare, food stamps, unemployment, medicaid, free lunch, SSDI, social security, and deny benefits to illegals.
I have read about illegals that went back to Mexico voluntarily because they got hit by the recession. If we make it impossible for them to find employment and get government assistance, then they will most likely leave voluntarily.
What they need to do nationwide is introduce stiff penalties for employers that hire illegals and possibly jail time for employers that hire illegals. The employers that hire them are practicing modern day slavery and this needs to be stopped.
They also should check immigration status when applying for welfare, food stamps, unemployment, medicaid, free lunch, SSDI, social security, and deny benefits to illegals.
I have read about illegals that went back to Mexico voluntarily because they got hit by the recession. If we make it impossible for them to find employment and get government assistance, then they will most likely leave voluntarily.
What they need to do nationwide is introduce stiff penalties for employers that hire illegals and possibly jail time for employers that hire illegals. The employers that hire them are practicing modern day slavery and this needs to be stopped.
They also should check immigration status when applying for welfare, food stamps, unemployment, medicaid, free lunch, SSDI, social security, and deny benefits to illegals.
I have read about illegals that went back to Mexico voluntarily because they got hit by the recession. If we make it impossible for them to find employment and get government assistance, then they will most likely leave voluntarily.
Problem is our federal gov isnt enforcing the employers hiring illegals
They do ask that for welfare problem is they get fake ids and can apply for things
I've read that also but there is still a lot of them here
You have to understand they will live 10 to a 2 bedroom apt 1 legal person gets the apt then allows the 9 illegally hire to live with him. They all pay 100.00 for rent and such and save and send money back to family in Mexico. They are willing to do things like that to be able to provide for loved ones at home.
There is many loopholes for illegals to live here. Ways around things
The City of Phoenixa has filed for an injunction as hhas tyhe DA of MaricopaCounty in that it violates the 4th Amendment. Police Departments are drawing up policies which will require every Officer challenge the citizenship of every contact to avoid charges of profiling. So if yo immigrated here from europe 50 years ago, you had better have your papers with you or you could be eating baloney sandwiches at Sherrif Joes tent city.
I live on the border and I am much more afraid of the Fascists in Arizona than the Socialists in Washington.
Half of the Border Patrol here is Hispanic, this could be a real trip
The Hispanic boarder patrol officers are LEGAL, though. Those who have immigrated here legally are getting a slap in the face by our own goverment. They are idiots for following the laws and doing it right. How stupid of them to care enough for this country that they so much want to be a part of, that they actually do it right. I would be mad at the illegals. I would be mad at the goverment for just turning the other way, if I were an immigrant that came here the correct way.
No, LEGAL immigrants can get their drivers licenses but illegals can't.
When you go to get your license, you must show proof that you're a citizen (birth certificate) or that you've been given permission to live here legally. If you're on a work visa, you get a special license that indicates it's only good for a certain period of time.
It's also the reason why Arizona has so many states that they don't accept licenses from. In most states, you move and show your old license in order to get a new one. In Arizona, the list is a long one of licenses they don't accept, which means in order to get a license, you have to bring in all the paperwork indicating you're a citizen. Arizona has fairly high-tech licenses and also have the fingerprinting thing on them too because they've had such a problem with forgery. When I lived there, somehow someone got a hold of my license and made a forgery. Because it had my fingerprint on it, eventually when the person who had my license was pulled over, she was arrested. But the police officer who investigated this came to my house and questionned me to make sure I hadn't sold my license for money (many do) and then told me that they believed this person was using my identity for years before they were caught. Luckily it didn't have my social security number on it...they just used my name and address and changed the photo.
Based on the document I posted above, it is sufficient to have entered the country legally.
I would like to know this myself. It's been a while since I got my first driver's license (and when I've moved, I only had to turn in my old one to get a new one), but when you get a driver's license, you have to show proof of citizenship. So...if you've got a driver's license, you've got proof you're a citizen. Shouldn't most people (especially adults) have a driver's license? Those who are here on work visas have a work visa that is the same size as a license. This declaration that anyone with "brown skin" will have to walk around with a 3-ring binder full of papers totally ignores reality. A driver's license, credit card, green card, work visa...they're all the same size and can easily fit in your pocket. As someone with my fair share of speeding tickets, whenever the police pull me over, they ask for my license and registration. They'll do the same to anyone speeding or running red lights (or any numerous reasons for getting pulled over) and if you can't produce a valid form of id showing you're here legally, you are sent to a holding area until you can prove it or you get deported. The reason this is important is because until this bill was signed, the police couldn't ask for documentation...not from white people, not from the guy driving the van full of dozens of illegal immigrants.
The most important thing in this bill, I believe, is that businesses who hire illegal immigrants can be turned in by citizens. You can't control illegal immigration if you don't hold those who are hiring the illegals and paying them miniscule wages responsible. It will also get the word out that Arizona is taking this issue seriously. California started taking steps to curb illegal immigration and the immigration routes switched over to Arizona. If Arizona gets the word out that it's tougher to be an illegal in that state, they can all go through New Mexico (where they like to call Arizonans "racists"). Let the NM's deal with it.
then it wouldn't be too long before NM put some laws in place.....
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