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Old 04-27-2010, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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If they insist that laws not be enforced, why don't they volunteer to pay higher taxes to pay for the services illegals use? Seems the left wants the best of both world, to have illegals here, but not have to pay. It's kind of like their argument, that conservatives are against abortion, but won't give money to raise kids..
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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I'm a 'liberal' and I think we should enforce our borders and enforce our current immigration laws. I am also a LEGAL immigrant from Europe and was able to go through all the fun hoopla of becoming a citizen. I think it's BS that people who wandered over here will be able to become citizens without any issue instead of doing it legally.

And there are plenty of other 'liberals' that have the same view.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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I don't want to pay a dime for any ridiculous ineffective law about it, nor do I want illegals to be here or be benficiaries of my tax dollars. Anyone that understand the issue in depth knows the real sollution is to repeal NAFTA.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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If they insist that laws not be enforced, why don't they volunteer to pay higher taxes to pay for the services illegals use? Seems the left wants the best of both world, to have illegals here, but not have to pay. It's kind of like their argument, that conservatives are against abortion, but won't give money to raise kids..
Why not just make ID mandatory to receive services, instead of allowing police to detain American citizens, because they look like illegal immigrants?

No liberal is saying we should allow illegal immigration, none that I've seen.

Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians are all pissed about this bill, its across the entire political spectrum.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:31 PM
 
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I don't want to pay a dime for any ridiculous ineffective law about it, nor do I want illegals to be here or be benficiaries of my tax dollars. Anyone that understand the issue in depth knows the real sollution is to repeal NAFTA.
Unless we strengthen it to include worker and environmental protections, NAFTA is irrelevant. People come here for one reason. Money. If NAFTA were creating well paying jobs in Latin America, we wouldn't be having this problem.

The simple, most cost effective solution would be to untie the hands of the SS administration, and require employers to validate SS numbers through the administration. Other measures could include tough penalties for under-the-table employment.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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I'm a 'liberal' and I think we should enforce our borders and enforce our current immigration laws. I am also a LEGAL immigrant from Europe and was able to go through all the fun hoopla of becoming a citizen. I think it's BS that people who wandered over here will be able to become citizens without any issue instead of doing it legally.

And there are plenty of other 'liberals' that have the same view.
Welcome to America, friend. Buy you a beer someday.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:34 PM
 
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Why not just make ID mandatory to receive services, instead of allowing police to detain American citizens, because they look like illegal immigrants?

No liberal is saying we should allow illegal immigration, none that I've seen.

Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians are all pissed about this bill, its across the entire political spectrum.
A strict libertarian supports open borders. Libertarian ideology espouses the free exchange of capital and labor across international borders. Therefore, libertarians would oppose any immigration law, not just this one.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Essentially NAFTA raped the already deprived economy of Mexico ergo why Mexicans clammer to the US (and to a smaller extent Canada). Upon opening the can of worms of cheap and undocumented workers, it destroyed working class jobs in states like Arizona and California. Also what happened is some companies packed their bags and went across the border knowing they didn't have to pay tariffs and could hire people for peanuts. I generally support Clinton but it was an abortion of an agreement.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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A strict libertarian supports open borders. Libertarian ideology espouses the free exchange of capital and labor across international borders. Therefore, libertarians would oppose any immigration law, not just this one.
Most of those who follow a libertarian philosophy (I do, somewhat), are against this law, because it requires citizens to carry identification wherever they go. It also grants waaaaaayyyyyy to much power to law enforcement, by allowing them to detain citizens, simply because they look like someone who might be an illegal immigrant.

Still, I was just pointing out to the OP, that its not just liberals who are against this, there are lots of folks who don't like this law. Another reason why it'll be overturned.

BTW, please don't vote for Harry Reid, I mean, its your state, but anyone who uses immigration reform as a political football, doesn't need to be in the Senate.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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A strict libertarian supports open borders. Libertarian ideology espouses the free exchange of capital and labor across international borders. Therefore, libertarians would oppose any immigration law, not just this one.
They would, assuming social services looked like they did back in the 19th century. This would mean the immigrant wouldn't have a magnet other than work to draw them in. Otherwise, even a strict libertarian would be hypocritical to allow open border entry along with social services available to that person.
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