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Old 04-27-2010, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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I'm not sure if these boycott ideas that are being floated will take hold or not. A lot depends on whether the boycotts, if approved, are just symbolic, or if they really have some teeth in them..

Remember Arizona..you reap what you sow..

D.C. Wire - Hispanic leaders to ask for D.C. resolution boycotting new Ariz. immigration law
Do you know that the vast majority of people who live and work in Phoenix don't work in manual labor jobs?

If this boycott idea works, who do you suppose will feel the pain? Not the guy in land development or the state worker downtown...nope. The person who cleans the hotel rooms that the conference goers will stay in. The person who cooks the food and cleans the dishes in the restaurants they would have stayed in. The person who works on the landscaping around the building they will hold the conference in. The people who would set up the conference staging area and drive the trucks to bring the supplies.

Boycotting may send a point but the people it will hurt most are the ones they claim they are trying to support.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Boycott the state.

Example: In the early 1990's the NFL moved the 1993 Super Bowl site from Phoenix, Ariz., to Pasadena, Calif., because of a boycott of Arizona due to it's refusal to observe MLK day..
Yeah...that'll show 'em. Of course, the boycott only worked until 1996 when the Superbowl was played at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe. And of course, when they built a huge stadium just in time for yet another Superbowl in 2008.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Conservatives and the GOP always like to talk a good game re: "illegal immigration", but the reality is they seldom do much about it, to avoid upsetting their corporate handlers (who benefit the most, thru cheap wages). The Bush Administration became notorious for this:

"The claims of this administration and its commitment to interior enforcement of immigration laws are laughable," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, an advocacy group that favors tougher workplace enforcement, among other measures. "The administration only discovered immigration enforcement over the past few months, five years into its existence, and only then because they realized that a pro-enforcement pose was necessary to get their amnesty plan approved."

"the Bush Administration focused its resources on undocumented workers rather than high value targets like unscrupulous employers and dangerous criminals."

Illegal Hiring Is Rarely Penalized - washingtonpost.com

Ironically, Obama and co. have been much more aggressive about workplace enforcement:

DHS Shifts Focus to Employers (http://www.chirla.org/node/348 - broken link)

Immigrant advocates say immigration enforcement worse under Obama
If you notice the majority of people who support this bill say that both political parties have absolutely S-U-C-K-E-D at dealing with this. No one is waving signs of GWB around declaring him as having any answers either. This isn't a problem that started with the inauguration of Obama. It's been boiling under the surface for years now and while there may be some who just don't "like those brown folks" the majority of Arizonans know and sympathize with those who will risk their lives to come to our country. In the last few years, however, the violence and criminality has overtaken the issue and that's what people are responding to.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Arizona has a large legal Hispanic population many of whom own businesses careful here
Yes and Arizona embraces their Hispanic culture and has no problem with people who are Hispanic if they are here legally.

Arizona as a state has thrived because of the Hispanic population and for people to imply that no one in Arizona understand the difference between legal and illegal is just dumb.

My mother-in-law's family is from Mexico...her grandparents did what they were supposed to and came to Arizona when they were told they were approved for citizenship. They have a fantastic community that they are part of and own their own business that thrives in a predominately caucasian area.

It's absolutely idiotic that so-called journalists in New York or a politician in DC would have an opinion of something they obviously know nothing about. No one in Arizona is telling those in DC that their school system is a pathetic failure or that NY smells like stinky feet all summer...they shouldn't be giving helpful advice to those in Phoenix who live with the criminal behavior that has taken over there. It's one thing to come and work hard for your family. It's quite another to hop back and forth over the border while holding your group of illegals for ransom, trafficking drugs, shooting police officers, and putting the lives of Arizonans (no matter their skin color) in danger.
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Old 04-27-2010, 06:54 PM
 
Location: California
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Boycotts like this are rediculous. Let AZ fail or succeed on it's own. No other states have to deal with day to day issues they have and no other states have to deal with the fallout of this law. Nobody needs to get involved.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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I'm not sure if these boycott ideas that are being floated will take hold or not. A lot depends on whether the boycotts, if approved, are just symbolic, or if they really have some teeth in them..

Remember Arizona..you reap what you sow..

D.C. Wire - Hispanic leaders to ask for D.C. resolution boycotting new Ariz. immigration law
Who the heck are those Hispanic leaders? I know of no one leader in that bunch. Well, they certainly don't speak in my behalf. They should be called illegal immigrants' leaders.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Hmmm.
Protest law enforcement by a State.
That sounds like a good reason to boycott the boycotters for their support of illegality, law breaking, and stealing resources from the tax payers.

Boycott Arizona boycotters!
B.A.B.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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There is hispanics that doesnt support Amnesty or illegals even being here
Unfortunately they're not the ones that matter or have a platform.

Only the race baiters get to speak on a national stage because they're propped up by who? The Democrat Socialist traitors.
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Old 04-27-2010, 08:00 PM
 
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And there we go. Back to the small minded name calling. A few of us have been trying to get this through to you - do NOT make this a Republican or Democrat issue. It is an AMERICAN issue. When you start throwing belittling names around, you are no better than a 3 year old stamping their feet in frustration. Keep a clear head. Let old angers go. Focus on the one issue at hand: Immigration Reform. DEMAND it from your local Senate and Congress person. Don't muddy this important issue with foolish name calling. It is just TOO important.
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Who the heck are those Hispanic leaders? I know of no one leader in that bunch. Well, they certainly don't speak in my behalf. They should be called illegal immigrants' leaders.
One of the "leaders" is a guy named Representative Raul M. Grijalva. He is nothing short of a "whack job" who is going to milk his 15 minutes in the sun and pretend he speaks on behalf of all Mexican-Americans. And the media covers him as some sort of Mexican Oracle without clearly doing any background research on him.

The problem with him is that the more you hear him talk, the less stable he seems. He's a big fan of Mexican Reparations and uses much of his time to explain to the American People that we owe the Mexican people a certain amount of land in the Southwest because it was "stolen" from them.

The district he represents has 60% Hispanic population but only 35% of them vote. That should tell you something about those who are here legally versus illegally. You'd think, since he's calling for a boycott of his state, he'd realize that the residents in his own district will likely suffer more over a boycott, but no...
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