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Old 04-27-2010, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/26/AR2010042602512.html?hpid=opinionsbox1"The Arizona law is so bizarre, fueled by anger and a dash of bigotry, that its effect is hard to predict. One thing is certain: Some cops will abuse their power -- such is human nature -- and the Hispanic minority will come to see the police as oppressors.""It has prompted widespread outrage from various politicians and civic leaders. And the Roman Catholic archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, has even likened it to "Nazism.""One of the splendid freedoms of America is to be free of "papers." All over the world, people carry papers saying who they are and where they belong and often revealing their religion or ethnicity as well. Not here. No papers. "
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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More people writing articles who have not read the bill it seems.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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More people writing articles who have not read the bill it seems.
I've read it, linked to it, and quoted it.

What is it that you think the OP missed?
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:21 PM
 
Location: AL
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LOL people need to actually read this law before they write alot of non-sense!
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:57 PM
 
Location: mancos
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and they vote too
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Old 04-27-2010, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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and they vote too
So do our Representatives, and they're also not reading what they're voting on.
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Old 04-27-2010, 06:12 PM
 
Location: TX
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I've read it, linked to it, and quoted it.

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The law does not give police officers the authority to stop anyone for the sole purpose of checking their citizenship or immigration status. (section 2, title 11, chapter 7, article 8, part B)
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Old 04-27-2010, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Austin Tx.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/26/AR2010042602512.html?hpid=opinionsbox1"The Arizona law is so bizarre, fueled by anger and a dash of bigotry, that its effect is hard to predict. One thing is certain: Some cops will abuse their power -- such is human nature -- and the Hispanic minority will come to see the police as oppressors.""It has prompted widespread outrage from various politicians and civic leaders. And the Roman Catholic archbishop of Los Angeles, Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, has even likened it to "Nazism.""One of the splendid freedoms of America is to be free of "papers." All over the world, people carry papers saying who they are and where they belong and often revealing their religion or ethnicity as well. Not here. No papers. "




What people need to understand is that alot of American Latinos/Hispanics are in favor of such a law.(myself included). I thought politicans/civic leaders jobs where to protect the American public and not illegal imigrants. If no paper than why did the census ask for ethnicity. Im sure once they run your DL # in a background check they know your ethnicity.
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Old 04-27-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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I've read it, linked to it, and quoted it.

What is it that you think the OP missed?
I'm talking about the author of the article. It contains many of the bits of misinformation floating around about this bill, IE racial profiling and the need for "papers".

The bill clearly states no complaints based solely on race will be investigated. That is the racial profiling. No one is getting checked until after lawful contact is made. That is, you aren't getting checked until you are already in trouble and the LEO is going to run your information anyway.

It also clearly states what documents someone needs. These are documents any legal citizen/legal guest already has. Legal citizen and forgot your ID? Give the LEO your real name/address/DOB when he or she asks. When he is running you through the computer they will find all is well regarding your citizenship. If you are a legal guest you should be carrying your passport/visa.
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:04 PM
 
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No one is getting checked until after lawful contact is made. That is, you aren't getting checked until you are already in trouble and the LEO is going to run your information anyway.
Do you just like to make stuff up as you go, since the bill it self makes no such legal definition of lawful contact.

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It also clearly states what documents someone needs. These are documents any legal citizen/legal guest already has.
But under no law, except Arizona are the required to keep on or about their person.

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If you are a legal guest you should be carrying your passport/visa.
Yet, you are not required to do so by the issuing authority, the U.S. State Department.
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