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Old 04-28-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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Them being nervous, no license plate, etc does in no means prove someone isn't an illegal immigrant. There are plenty of normal Americans who these would all apply to. If they got caught, will they be deported, even though they're not from outside the country? This is legalized profiling and you know it.
Those are examples of where an officer may have a right to ask the question; it's not supposed to be proof of being an illegal immigrant. Reasonable suspicion has never equated to proof, nor has that attempt been made.

Do you think that if those factors exist, that the officer is going to drive you to the border? They're required to contact federal authorities and take steps to identify you.

Under current law, "normal Americans" would be questioned further under these conditions. What's your name? Where do you live? Do you have any outstanding warrants? They would then check over there radio and on their computer. If you're legal, it should be easy to verify. If you're legal but have a warrant, you're going to be detained further.
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Old 04-28-2010, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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You'd have to ask every single one of the people involved in the movement individually, to get their opinions on the matter.

Let me make this perfectly clear, since you seem to be a bit too dense to grasp the concept on your own: The tea party movement is primarily concerned with spending and general irresponsibility by the FEDERAL government. The movement has NOTHING to do with STATE or LOCAL governments.

The entire premise of your thread is based on the false assumption that the Tea Party movement gives a crap about what happens in the Arizona state government.

Frankly, you look more than a little foolish for starting the thread at all...
You sure about that? I can find a lot of tea partiers here in Jersey that say otherwise.
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Old 04-28-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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Those are examples of where an officer may have a right to ask the question; it's not supposed to be proof of being an illegal immigrant. Reasonable suspicion has never equated to proof, nor has that attempt been made.

Do you think that if those factors exist, that the officer is going to drive you to the border? They're required to contact federal authorities and take steps to identify you.

Under current law, "normal Americans" would be questioned further under these conditions. What's your name? Where do you live? Do you have any outstanding warrants? They would then check over there radio and on their computer. If you're legal, it should be easy to verify. If you're legal but have a warrant, you're going to be detained further.
There is a big difference for stopping someone walking the street and asking them the questions and stopping someone in a car or worse going into their home. There has to be something more to stop someone in their car other than...I had a reasonable suspicion that he was illegal, because again...what does an illegal look like? That is why the law will likely be held unconstitutional. The bill just goes to far, and as detailed as the bill is, it is too vague on this point. There are other constitutional problems with the bill, but this, to me, is the most glaring example.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:20 PM
 
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Do you realize how much it will cost to enforce this law? You don't consider this big government tyranny?

Fast Facts on Arizona’s Immigration Crack Down
Your name fits, twisted.

As usual in your twisted mind YOU know what the Tea party should do. Even though do do not belong.

Hello, anybody home. The Tea party is involved in FEDERAL government issues. This new law is a STATE law.

Before telling the Tea Party what to do, why don't you find out what the Party is about?

Asking these silly questions only make you look silly.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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You sure about that?
Yes.

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Old 04-28-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: USA
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Your name fits, twisted.

As usual in your twisted mind YOU know what the Tea party should do. Even though do do not belong.

Hello, anybody home. The Tea party is involved in FEDERAL government issues. This new law is a STATE law.

Before telling the Tea Party what to do, why don't you find out what the Party is about?

Asking these silly questions only make you look silly.
So the tea party isn't involved in state issues? Got it.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: TX
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I got one! I got one! I thought of another one!



If a law or laws in one "State" applied to all "States" it would be called "The United State of America."

See? But, of course, it's not ... one more time - it's "The United States of America."

I know it's subtle, but it really is an important distinction. Pay special attention to the last letter of each of the bold/italicized words.

I hope that helps a little.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Yes.

Well, do yourself a favor and thumb through a couple pages in the NJ forum.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/searc...rchid=20796189
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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I got one! I got one! I thought of another one!



If a law or laws in one "State" applied to all "States" it would be called "The United State of America."

See? But, of course, it's not ... one more time - it's "The United States of America."

I know it's subtle, but it really is an important distinction. Pay special attention to the last letter of each of the bold/italicized words.

I hope that helps a little.
Did you know people say "The United States is" rather than are. The only time they used "are" (refering to the country as a plurality) was before the Civil War.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Your name fits, twisted.

As usual in your twisted mind YOU know what the Tea party should do. Even though do do not belong.

Hello, anybody home. The Tea party is involved in FEDERAL government issues. This new law is a STATE law.

Before telling the Tea Party what to do, why don't you find out what the Party is about?

Asking these silly questions only make you look silly.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/searc...rchid=20796189

Teapartiers in Jersey think otherwise.
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