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Old 04-28-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: AL
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The police are between a rock and a hard place. If they catch too many illegals they will be accused of profiling and if they try to even things up by stopping non-brown people they will be accused of harassing citizens. Fact is, to do their job properly they have to profile. This bill puts them in an impossible situation.

See again there is obviously lack of understanding this law.....Again,ready...........Race/shape/size has nothing to with this.....If you are stop on reas.susp (NOT CAUSE YOUR BROWN)..example:running a redlight....Then you will have to produce I.D.(as would anyone).....so were on earth do you people keep saying ....brown people.

This just shows your lack of knownledge of this law!

Now have a nice day!
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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Reasonable suspicion is the grounds for all warrantless stops by police.Its less than proable cuase and less than prove beyond a reasonable doubt. It also does not mean the ordinary citizen would recognise the same suspicion that the policeman does.
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Okay, we'll see how you feel when you're pulled over, show your license, then get told to show your documentation and proof of citizenship.
fail-a driver's license is an accepted document for proof of legal residency.
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:56 PM
 
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Bet they're happy if they own stock in Halliburton....The Big H has the contract for housing illegals in their private prisons in AZ....Halliburton contributes LOTS to the Repugs......and will reap their reward.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:18 PM
 
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I find it pretty sad and insane that the Pres/A.G/Homeland security sec....are taking the side of "illegals" over Americans citizens.
They are taking the side of Americans. I'm an American and Hispanic. I was born and raised here. My father is an American yet still speaks with an accent because he was raised learning Spanish first. They are protecting Americans like me from this bigoted law. This is another black eye on Arizona much like the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday ban is being viewed today. This will eventually be struck down by the Feds and Brewer will not win the governorship as the Hispanic (not illegal) population in Phoenix and the rest of Arizona go to the polls and vote for Terry Goddard as governor instead.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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fail-a driver's license is an accepted document for proof of legal residency.
And it's a sinch to get one. Like I said in another thread I had a fake ID when I was 17, why wouldn't illegal immigrants be able to? There's a whole black market that caters to them.
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:27 PM
 
Location: AL
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They are taking the side of Americans. I'm an American and Hispanic. I was born and raised here. My father is an American yet still speaks with an accent because he was raised learning Spanish first. They are protecting Americans like me from this bigoted law. This is another black eye on Arizona much like the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday ban is being viewed today. This will eventually be struck down by the Feds and Brewer will not win the governorship as the Hispanic (not illegal) population in Phoenix and the rest of Arizona go to the polls and vote for Terry Goddard as governor instead.
So can you point to me on what page it says all this non-sense your spouting.......Obviously you have not read the law.
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Okay, we'll see how you feel when you're pulled over, show your license, then get told to show your documentation and proof of citizenship.
If you have a license, it's proof of citizenship. It's been a while since I first stepped into the DMV and I've been able to trade one license for another while I moved across the country, but the first time you get your driver's license, you've got to bring your birth certificate. If you weren't born in the USA, you've got to bring proof of your citizenship. One little card...that's all. I put mine in my sock when I'm jogging just in case I get hit by a car or have a heart attack. This is not a 3-ring binder of proof of your right to be in the country. Even if you're here on a work visa or green card, the card still fits in your sock.
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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They are taking the side of Americans. I'm an American and Hispanic. I was born and raised here. My father is an American yet still speaks with an accent because he was raised learning Spanish first. They are protecting Americans like me from this bigoted law. This is another black eye on Arizona much like the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday ban is being viewed today. This will eventually be struck down by the Feds and Brewer will not win the governorship as the Hispanic (not illegal) population in Phoenix and the rest of Arizona go to the polls and vote for Terry Goddard as governor instead.
Why are you painting yourself as a victim? Have you never had to show your ID at the airport, at the border, to get into a bar, for a new job, or have you ever gotten a speeding ticket/traffic violation?
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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I'm an Arizona resident and a Sheriff Joe supporter. I'm also a Republican and a strong supporter of immigration reform. Most of the people in Arizona do not support this law including me. 40% of the Arizona population consists of Hispanic Americans like myself. Hispanic Americans, contrary to popular belief, endorse strong immigration reform and don't favor illegal immigration. However, this law targets U.S. citizens like myself. Yes, yes, "Just show them your driver's license"....sorry...I shouldn't have to. I'm born and raised in this country. I shouldn't have to carry a copy of my passport or show my driver's license out of being racially profiled and harrassed. I can understand showing proof of citizenship if there is probable cause ie I broke the law. However, this law doesn't mandate probable cause and gives law enforcement the right to question anyone's citizenship status based on "reasonable suspicion" which is not specific and can essentially mean anything.

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I'm a black man that had to show my ID today just to see the balance of my checking account. My world is completely shattered. Go Get Em azriverfan!
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