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Old 04-28-2010, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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But, but....I thought this was all about state's rights? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to now go whining to the feds for help with instituting this draconian law?

Daily Kos: Arizona wants federal help in ethnic cleansing efforts
That is too funny! Thanks for sharing.

Add that request to possible future requests for federal funding (i.e., bailout) to deal with boycotts, impact on tourism, businesses, housing market ... yikes.

I found this interesting.

Arizona immigration law: painful lessons from Oklahoma - CSMonitor.com
In late 2007, Oklahoma legislators enacted what was then the nation’s toughest anti-immigrant law. Mere months later, state Sen. Harry Coates – the only Republican legislator to vote against the measure – said, “You really have to work hard at it to destroy our state’s economy, but we found a way. We ran off the workforce.”

One study suggests the bill led to an estimated 50,000 people fleeing Oklahoma and a 1.3 percent drop in economic output statewide. As a result, Oklahoma may well have incurred $1.8 billion in economic losses, just as it, like the rest of the nation, was bracing for recession.

 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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That is too funny! Thanks for sharing.

Add that request to possible future requests for federal funding (i.e., bailout) to deal with boycotts, impact on tourism, businesses, housing market ... yikes.

I found this interesting.

Arizona immigration law: painful lessons from Oklahoma - CSMonitor.com
In late 2007, Oklahoma legislators enacted what was then the nation’s toughest anti-immigrant law. Mere months later, state Sen. Harry Coates – the only Republican legislator to vote against the measure – said, “You really have to work hard at it to destroy our state’s economy, but we found a way. We ran off the workforce.”

One study suggests the bill led to an estimated 50,000 people fleeing Oklahoma and a 1.3 percent drop in economic output statewide. As a result, Oklahoma may well have incurred $1.8 billion in economic losses, just as it, like the rest of the nation, was bracing for recession.
So what does this really have to do with cutting down on drug trafficking, human smuggling, kidnapping, etc? That is the goal here and AZ wouldn't be put in this position had the federal government not turned a blind eye to the many requests by AZ.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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15,000 new officials? I bet the Tea Party is all up in arms about this law. Talk about a huge increase of government! Reminds me of the KGB or Stasi. Is Arizona's Republican party turning socialist?
I don't believe it's 15000 new officials.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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In what dictionary did the definition of ILLEGAL morph into the definition of "LEGAL"?
I don't support amnesty. Lay your Faux News talking points on someone who does...like George Bush
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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I don't support amnesty. Lay your Faux News talking points on someone who does...like George Bush
You chose the words "ethnic cleansing" to describe this thread.

Lay your left-wing hippie pinko guilt trip on someone who cares!
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:44 PM
 
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But, but....I thought this was all about state's rights? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to now go whining to the feds for help with instituting this draconian law?

Daily Kos: Arizona wants federal help in ethnic cleansing efforts
Feigned outrage. You don't care agout immigrants, legal or illegal, Latino or any other ethnicity. This posturing by you and the Dems is all about politics. How can we use this issue to bash Republicans and win elections? That's all it's about. Meanwhile the people of the border states are battling an invasion and losing their rights--personal and property rights--but you don't care a whit about that. Despicable--there is no other word to describe you and your kind.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Feigned outrage. You don't care agout immigrants, legal or illegal, Latino or any other ethnicity. This posturing by you and the Dems is all about politics. How can we use this issue to bash Republicans and win elections? That's all it's about. Meanwhile the people of the border states are battling an invasion and losing their rights--personal and property rights--but you don't care a whit about that. Despicable--there is no other word to describe you and your kind.
Truth be told.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Feigned outrage. You don't care agout immigrants, legal or illegal, Latino or any other ethnicity. This posturing by you and the Dems is all about politics. How can we use this issue to bash Republicans and win elections? That's all it's about. Meanwhile the people of the border states are battling an invasion and losing their rights--personal and property rights--but you don't care a whit about that. Despicable--there is no other word to describe you and your kind.

There's posturing on both sides of this law. To say there's not, or to suggest it's limited to one party, is extremely disingenous..

Oh, and I feel the same way about "your kind"..
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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Feigned outrage. You don't care agout immigrants, legal or illegal, Latino or any other ethnicity.
As I see it, the pro-illegals' position is based entirely on race an socioeconomic status. They claim to care, so they can feel a sense of superiority in their own minds. To me, it's no different than a Bible thumper who thinks his views make him superior to others.
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This posturing by you and the Dems is all about politics. How can we use this issue to bash Republicans and win elections? That's all it's about. Meanwhile the people of the border states are battling an invasion and losing their rights--personal and property rights--but you don't care a whit about that. Despicable--there is no other word to describe you and your kind.
You bet it's political. It'll backfire, IMO. People know whether they are racist or not. Some are successful in kidding themselves, but I believe those numbers are small. I absolutely will not vote for anyone who calls me a racist for opposing illegal immigration. Likewise, I won't vote for anyone who calls me a communist for not hating Obama. Looks like I won't be voting anytime soon.
 
Old 04-28-2010, 12:57 PM
 
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There's posturing on both sides of this law.
Would terms like "ethnic cleansing" be part of that posturing?

Good luck with that.
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