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Old 04-28-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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"Why are protests not being directed to our national government and the government of Mexico? Why aren't these groups demanding that our porous border with Mexico be closed, once and for all? It's not impossible. We have the most sophisticated surveillance and monitoring technology in history, the most formidable military in the world, yet we are unable to stop the daily intrusion of illegal immigrants from Mexico into the United States? This is a failure of policy, not one of capability."

Clarence B. Jones: Somebody Close the Door: Reactions to Arizona Immigration Law Misses the Big Picture

This is it, IMO.
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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"Why are protests not being directed to our national government and the government of Mexico? Why aren't these groups demanding that our porous border with Mexico be closed, once and for all? It's not impossible. We have the most sophisticated surveillance and monitoring technology in history, the most formidable military in the world, yet we are unable to stop the daily intrusion of illegal immigrants from Mexico into the United States? This is a failure of policy, not one of capability."

Clarence B. Jones: Somebody Close the Door: Reactions to Arizona Immigration Law Misses the Big Picture

This is it, IMO.
Actually, it is a question being asked by many.
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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We have a 2 front war. We'd have to expand the defense budget and possibly re-enact the draft in order to militarize the border.
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:32 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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"Why are protests not being directed to our national government and the government of Mexico? Why aren't these groups demanding that our porous border with Mexico be closed, once and for all? It's not impossible. We have the most sophisticated surveillance and monitoring technology in history, the most formidable military in the world, yet we are unable to stop the daily intrusion of illegal immigrants from Mexico into the United States? This is a failure of policy, not one of capability."

Clarence B. Jones: Somebody Close the Door: Reactions to Arizona Immigration Law Misses the Big Picture

This is it, IMO.
This is it - you said it! Why has our Federal Gov't failed AZ and failed the US in protecting our borders, and protecting our states' economies? Who benefits from exploiting a massive underclass of people, while the backbone of the US, the middle class, fizzles into extinction? The MSM is all just smoke and mirrors - gee I wonder why.

Things that make you go hmmmm.....
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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"Why are protests not being directed to our national government and the government of Mexico? Why aren't these groups demanding that our porous border with Mexico be closed, once and for all? It's not impossible. We have the most sophisticated surveillance and monitoring technology in history, the most formidable military in the world, yet we are unable to stop the daily intrusion of illegal immigrants from Mexico into the United States? This is a failure of policy, not one of capability."

Clarence B. Jones: Somebody Close the Door: Reactions to Arizona Immigration Law Misses the Big Picture

This is it, IMO.
Exactly. The Arizona law would have never been introduced if the national government had done its job. Maybe this will force the issue. On the other hand, it may allow one side to grandstand against the issue while the other praises AZ and the status quo is maintained.
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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The comments at that page, under the article, arent especially interesting except one.

"[In 1995] Robert Rubin told the Senate Foreign Whatever committee back then, 'gee, we couldn't see it coming'. American taxpayers bailed out Mexico/GS to the tune of $40 billion.... We (America) went down there, hauled in Walmart etc, broke the financial backs of the rural population, destroyed their means of making money for their families, then cranked up China's most-favored-nation status, and split from Mexico in 1999 when we could get wages for $.60 in China instead of $2.00 in Mexico."

I dont know this history but if anyone else does -- what is this story? (I'll research it eventually, just not right now.)
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:42 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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The comments at that page, under the article, arent especially interesting except one.

"[In 1995] Robert Rubin told the Senate Foreign Whatever committee back then, 'gee, we couldn't see it coming'. American taxpayers bailed out Mexico/GS to the tune of $40 billion.... We (America) went down there, hauled in Walmart etc, broke the financial backs of the rural population, destroyed their means of making money for their families, then cranked up China's most-favored-nation status, and split from Mexico in 1999 when we could get wages for $.60 in China instead of $2.00 in Mexico."

I dont know this history but if anyone else does -- what is this story? (I'll research it eventually, just not right now.)
Sounds like NAFTA:

Robert Rubin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Meanwhile, in terms of changing the policy .....

Graham Pulls Support for Major Senate Climate Bill - NYTimes.com
In a move that may derail a comprehensive climate change and energy bill in the Senate, one of the measure’s central architects, Senator Lindsey Graham, has issued an angry protest over what he says are Democratic plans to give priority to a debate over immigration policy.

Mr. Graham said that any Senate debate on the highly charged subject of illegal immigration would make it impossible to deal with the difficult issues involved in national energy and global warming policy.

He said in his letter that energy must come first and that Democrats appeared to be rushing to take up immigration because of rising anti-immigrant sentiment, including a harsh new measure signed into law in Arizona on Friday.

“Moving forward on immigration — in this hurried, panicked manner — is nothing more than a cynical political ploy,” Mr. Graham said. “I know from my own personal experience the tremendous amounts of time, energy and effort that must be devoted to this issue to make even limited progress.”
Sounds to me like the Democrats want to take up the immigration issue, but the good Senator has trouble multi-tasking (i.e., walking and chewing gum at the same time).
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Old 04-28-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: MS
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Meanwhile, in terms of changing the policy .....

Graham Pulls Support for Major Senate Climate Bill - NYTimes.com
In a move that may derail a comprehensive climate change and energy bill in the Senate, one of the measure’s central architects, Senator Lindsey Graham, has issued an angry protest over what he says are Democratic plans to give priority to a debate over immigration policy.

Mr. Graham said that any Senate debate on the highly charged subject of illegal immigration would make it impossible to deal with the difficult issues involved in national energy and global warming policy.

He said in his letter that energy must come first and that Democrats appeared to be rushing to take up immigration because of rising anti-immigrant sentiment, including a harsh new measure signed into law in Arizona on Friday.

“Moving forward on immigration — in this hurried, panicked manner — is nothing more than a cynical political ploy,” Mr. Graham said. “I know from my own personal experience the tremendous amounts of time, energy and effort that must be devoted to this issue to make even limited progress.”
Sounds to me like the Democrats want to take up the immigration issue, but the good Senator has trouble multi-tasking (i.e., walking and chewing gum at the same time).
I thought the President was supposed to have a laser focus on jobs right now. What's with all of this immigration and energy talk?
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Old 04-28-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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we have a 2 front war. We'd have to expand the defense budget and possibly re-enact the draft in order to militarize the border.
nonsense...!
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