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Old 04-29-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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It is my hope that all 50 states follow Arizona's example.
Maybe other solidly right-wing, more authoritarian/less pro-business states may follow. Arizona seems to be solidly right wing and has a large anti-illegal sentiment. I would imagine maybe Colorado or Utah might try to follow Arizona's example in trying to pass a law, and then spending money on legal defenses.

While parts of California do, there are also parts of California that don't, so California is 50-50 (as it has been between conservative and liberal, and between left and right wing)
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Maybe other solidly right-wing, more authoritarian/less pro-business states may follow. Arizona seems to be solidly right wing and has a large anti-illegal sentiment. I would imagine maybe Colorado or Utah might try to follow Arizona's example in trying to pass a law, and then spending money on legal defenses.

While parts of California do, there are also parts of California that don't, so California is 50-50 (as it has been between conservative and liberal, and between left and right wing)
You are under the strange presumption that opinions about illegal immigration are divided along party lines. This is just not the case, I'm sorry to say.

AZ has a large anti-illegal sentiment, because their state has a lot of illegals.

As long as you continue to believe that it is "right wing/authoritarian/les pro-business" folks alone that are (in your opinion apparently incorrectly) expecting the federal government to enforce the law, you will fail to see the real picture.
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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Most of the anti-illegal immigration posters here, and a lot of the politicians (i.e. Tom Tancredo) all are from the Republican Party, and many that have strong feelings with the issue do come from the Republican Party. If there are people who are registered democrats who are strong advocates of the issue, they may be democrats in states which vote for republicans in federal elections.

My state, Texas, has a lot of illegals too. The difference is that the businesses want the illegals here. Texas wants businesses in the state (The City of Houston has no zoning, making development easier - The State of Texas has no income tax, making living here less expensive) - Also the state has the Texas Rangers, a law enforcement agency which has the authority to trample upon illegal operations along the US Mexico border with ease

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You are under the strange presumption that opinions about illegal immigration are divided along party lines. This is just not the case, I'm sorry to say.

AZ has a large anti-illegal sentiment, because their state has a lot of illegals.

As long as you continue to believe that it is "right wing/authoritarian/les pro-business" folks alone that are (in your opinion apparently incorrectly) expecting the federal government to enforce the law, you will fail to see the real picture.
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:23 AM
 
Location: southern california
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of course they will, when we finished the fence here, the problem moved east.
80% of all american illegal immigration came thru here.
no more. get yourself a fence.
john kavanagh for president.
what is astounding is the federal congress that refuses to enforce the law is going after the states for trying to enforce it. our governments attempt to punish individuals and states that attempt to defend themselves.
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:25 AM
 
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of course they will, when we finished the fence here, the problem moved east.
80% of all american illegal immigration came thru here.
no more. get yourself a fence.
john kavanagh for president.
what is astounding is the congress that refuses to enforce the law is going after the states for trying to enforce it. they attempt to punish the individuals and states that attempt to defend themselves.
Immigration status and enforcement of the border is in the federal government's realm. There is a possibility that Arizona's law could be repealed on the grounds that it is not Arizona's job to deal with border issues.
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Old 04-30-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: NoVA
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Immigration status and enforcement of the border is in the federal government's realm. There is a possibility that Arizona's law could be repealed on the grounds that it is not Arizona's job to deal with border issues.
That certainly is possible. But evidently the Feds don't feel it's their job either, hence nothing being done, hence a border state taking the initiative to do what someone else can't be bothered to do.
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Old 04-30-2010, 09:01 AM
 
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Immigration status and enforcement of the border is in the federal government's realm. There is a possibility that Arizona's law could be repealed on the grounds that it is not Arizona's job to deal with border issues.
Arizona has a duty to protect it's citizens. The feds can't do anything about it.
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Old 04-30-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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The feds could rule that the bill is unconstitutional, meaning that Arizona would be unable to enforce it. The feds could also threaten to pull federal funding for Arizona state projects unless Arizona rejects the bill.

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Arizona has a duty to protect it's citizens. The feds can't do anything about it.
No matter how well or not so well the feds do their job, it would be their responsibility only, and the US federal government wants it to stay that way. One could try to advocate for change in the federal level if he or she wants to change enforcement tactics.

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That certainly is possible. But evidently the Feds don't feel it's their job either, hence nothing being done, hence a border state taking the initiative to do what someone else can't be bothered to do.
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Old 04-30-2010, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
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That type of law will never "fly" in Texas. We do things differently 'round here
Texas retailers rely HEAVILY on Mexicans crossing the border to do their shopping. If this type of thing happened guess what would happen to the border towns=they would turn into ghost towns because the Mexican nationals would not be shopping in America anymore, thus Americans would lose their jobs serving the Mexican customers. How do I know? I grew up in Laredo, a border town that relies heavily on Mexican tourism. Believe me, here in Texas, we don't want to Pi$$ off the Mexicans who come into our state to shop.
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Old 04-30-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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This whole week has been nothing but good news for the US.
nah....obama is still president.
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