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Old 04-28-2010, 02:30 PM
 
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Agree completely. The police cannot pick and choose what laws they want to enforce. He should be removed from office, pronto.
I agree 100%. That is a big reason we have such problems. Police are paid to enforce to law.NOT DECIDE IF ITS ONE THAT WANT TO ENFORCE...
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:31 PM
 
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He needs to reconsider, the Kansas Lawyers who drew up this bill designed it so they could sue municipalities and make millions on Arizona Taxpayers. If he has to do something just challenge EVERYONE> Remember a Drivers License is Not proof of citizenship and a Social security Card has no picture


Papers Please
babbling this nonsense over and over and over again still won't make it true.

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Arizona's immigration law, now considered the toughest in the nation, makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally and requires local police to enforce federal immigration laws. It will require anyone whom police suspect of being in the country illegally to produce "an alien registration document," such as a green card or other proof of citizenship, such as a passport or Arizona driver's license.
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The law clearly says that if someone produces a valid Arizona driver's license, or other state-issued identification, they are presumed to be here legally. There's no reasonable suspicion (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Byron-York/A-carefully-crafted-immigration-law-in-Arizona-92136104.html#ixzz0mQeCd3rH - broken link).
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:34 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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No,,you are completely wrong. NOBODY is above the law! That sherrif has to obey all laws like you and me. If it is his duty to enforce them he HAS to enforce them. Remember that oath???

LOL, cops often park outside a bar waiting to pull over someone as they leave. Cops often gather after work and have a few drinks ( so I am led to believe), I doubt you'll ever see a patrol car parked across the street at that particular place waiting to pull them over as they leave.
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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Actually, yes, they can, and they do - every day. Police departments have to prioritize. There's not much sense in going around and arresting people, knowing very well that there's a high chance that the charges will be dismissed by a judge. The police also have to be concerned about public relations. If the public doesn't trust the police, it can lead to bigger problems.
For the Sheriff to publicly refuse to enforce a law simply because he doesn't agree with it, the penalty should be immediate removal from office. I don't believe in arresting marijuana users, but if I were Sheriff there's no way I would get away with publicly refusing to do so. It's not the Sheriff's role to make the law.
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Papers Please
I like that. How about something more in line with Arizona's new fascist image?

Papiere Bitte
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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NH is pretty far away from this problem, but I have a green card carryin' German friend living here and owning his own house, who was stopped for speeding in his A-4 Audi, and with lic and reg was carded there and then...

It wasn't a big deal. No green card and it would have been.

These illegals BROKE the LAW crossing the border illegally. They don't get rights because they BROKE the law.

They KNEW the broke the law crossing the border, and they know there is risk.

They by-passed by freedom of choice, to fail at what every other alien does to get a green card or become a citzen.

If this flies, then maybe i can just go to Mexico and claim the place as mine, not so much as a lead plate nailed to a tree.

Illegals have NO Rights, here, and for all I know have no Rights anywhere, since crossing borders illegally pretty much means you gave up any and all RIGHTS in the first place.

Hiring them is the same thing as hiring a murder who hasn't paid his debt to society, but that's another thing.

They are not politcal refugees either. They are nothing more than crooks, and will never be anything more than common criminals, because they have no respect of law or anything else, which is proved by crossing the border.

IMO there should be a open hunting season on them. They should have stayed where they were legal and FIXED that countries problems.

Then applied like my German friend to be here, and he speaks English.
But you would punish those who are American who happen to LOOK like Mexicans also. You wouldn't punish Tyrell, who is black, by asking HIM for proof of citzenship, would you?
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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You never read the law. Your opinion means nothing.
If an Arizona Drivers License will get you by then NO One will ever be deported. they cost $150 on gthe street.

Go to Nogales, cross the border, then try to come back into the country with your drivers license

Since I do live in Arizona, my opinion will mean something on election day
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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How do you get across without a passport?

I don't have a passport, because I don't leave the country of my birth. But what if someone thought I was German, or Canadian? Do I have any proof that I'm not? Well, I have a Florida driver's license (expired), a Social Security number instead of an ITIN, and a voter registration card. Three things a foreigner should not have.
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:32 PM
 
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No,,you are completely wrong. NOBODY is above the law! That sherrif has to obey all laws like you and me. If it is his duty to enforce them he HAS to enforce them. Remember that oath???
And sometimes laws are bad and Unconstitutional. And civil disobedience is the appropriate route to go. The sheriff's declaration that he won't enforce this particular law is civil disobedience. He hasn't hidden his actions, he's proclaimed them, and will bear the consequences. Civil disobedience. It has a proud tradition in American history.
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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These illegals BROKE the LAW crossing the border illegally. They don't get rights because they BROKE the law.
Not necessarily. A person can enter the on tourist, business, student or work visa, have a valid driver's license and be illegal. And a person doesn't need to be from Mexico (or look and act like one) to be illegal. I guess, tourists would also be subjected to illegal status if they don't happen to carry their papers at all times. AZ state has managed to open an immigration desk at every street corner. On the positive side, it will be paid for by Arizona tax payers (who're about to be burdened with more taxes to begin with).

Illegals enter the country based on incentives. But nobody wants to talk about taking those incentives away.

That said, while AZ is already in a financial doo-doo, it only serves them right to discourage tourism. Even for someone who doesn't fit the profile to count as "reasonable suspicion", laws like these take away my desire to visit the state for a vacation.
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