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Old 04-29-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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High levels of illegal immigration and crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants are among the key rationales cited by some supporters of a tough new immigration law in Arizona.

Yet, a look at statistics from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency and the FBI indicate that both the number of illegal crossers and violent crime in general have actually decreased in the past several years.
According to FBI statistics, violent crimes reported in Arizona dropped by nearly 1,500 reported incidents between 2005 and 2008. Reported property crimes also fell, from about 287,000 reported incidents to 279,000 in the same period. These decreases are accentuated by the fact that Arizona's population grew by 600,000 between 2005 and 2008.
Crime stats test rationale behind Arizona immigration law - CNN.com
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:10 PM
 
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Have you seen CNN the past few days? It has shown nothing but one-sided stories AGAINST this bill. Way to be unbiased news! They have shown no support for it at all, and this story is further proof.

Phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of the US, and crime does happen by some illegals, but thanks to strong enforcement even before this bill was passed, it is not as bad as it could be. If Arizona did not have Sheriff Joe, you can see these crime rates be astronomical.
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Old 05-01-2010, 03:19 PM
 
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Our government should round up EVERYONE at all places they're protesting the new bill, arrest & deport everyone found to be illegal, but they would rather kiss butts for votes & place the law abiding, tax paying American CITIZENS of our country in jeopardy....

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Old 05-01-2010, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Have you seen CNN the past few days? It has shown nothing but one-sided stories AGAINST this bill. Way to be unbiased news! They have shown no support for it at all, and this story is further proof.

Phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of the US, and crime does happen by some illegals, but thanks to strong enforcement even before this bill was passed, it is not as bad as it could be. If Arizona did not have Sheriff Joe, you can see these crime rates be astronomical.
Actually, to be fair, I did watch CNN yesterday and was watching Campbell Brown's show (she had a sub in for her) who covered it really well. They had the author of the Arizona bill on who is very knowledgeable and wasn't going to get pushed around and then they broke into regular programming to cover the shooting of the officer in Pinal County. One of their reporters on the ground has been with the sheriff's office and has been out on patrol with them so he could see first hand what it was like. He was on the air and really had excellent perspective...making sure at least he said that this is not about the hardworking farmer coming across the border for a better life. It's about the huge profits from human smuggling and drug cartels that are coming into the country and are willing to shoot law enforcement if they get in the way. He said on just one patrol he went out on and in one shift (of 4 hours), they caught 60 illegals, more than 200 pounds of marijuana and 4 high powered rifles.

Not normally a big cable news watcher anyway, but as I was flipping channels, I stopped to watch the coverage on CNN. IMHO, it was excellent and I too think they have some serious bias...just not on the coverage I was watching.

BTW, I love Sheriff Joe too. He's such a master of self-promotion and it's hilarious how much the media hates him. But...he does his job and says again and again how the feds have been investigating him for a year to see if he's been racially profiling and they've found nothing, nada, zip. I don't think it's a coincidence that Janet Napolitano hates him the most and as soon as she arrives in Washington, she send investigators out to Sheriff Joe.
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Old 05-01-2010, 03:43 PM
 
Location: South Portland, Maine
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Lets look at it this way... What ever the percentage of Illegal Immigrants represent with respect to crimes... it would be that much LESS with out them!

maybe this is like Obama's how many jobs we "created" changed to how many jobs we "saved"????

I dont care if they are coming here with a cure for cancer strapped under their arms... they dont belong here Illegally!!!

the racial make up and political make up of this country is being "adversly effected" wow... did I just say that?? you got it!! Though I have NO issues with minorities on a personal level... and I would live in a heart beat over seas surrounded by people of a different race... there is a change when millions of them come here in such a short amount of time demanding special treatment and special rights with any understanding of where this country came from and what its values are... A melting pot yes!! but not a stew.. our nation is changing and is becoming more and more social!!
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:25 AM
 
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Here is another stat from a different article on the same subject.

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Crime has dropped all across the country since then, but the decrease has been as fast or faster in Arizona. The rate of property crimes in the state, for example, has plummeted by 43 percent since 1995, compared with 30 percent nationwide.
That's no surprise to those who study immigration; both sides, whether for or against increased immigration, agree that immigrants tend to commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans.
Nation & World | Both sides in Arizona's immigration debate use crime argument | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Old 05-03-2010, 06:58 AM
 
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Obvious the pro-open borders side does not mind a bit that illegals are routinely held hostage in Phoenix, in second place as the kidnapping capital of the world.

So how come no one protests for the illegals being held captive, tortured, even killed? What happened to all their rights?

Oh - that has to do with human traffickers bringing them in so it's all good. No reason to protest.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:36 AM
 
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It's going to fall on deaf ears. A preview into the arguments against your facts:.

  • Those aren't accurate facts. Some of the are underreported.
  • It's a liberal news source... of course they're going to get facts that favor their view.
  • The populatino of illegals has gone down, so naturally crime has gone down.
  • ... or some other 100% irrelevant tangent, like malamute's,.3
It isn't about the crimes that illegals cause....Like I've said previously... what's happened in Arizona is totally understandable. Arizona got hit hard by the housing meltdown, the economic crisis... and this coupled with the fact that Arizona has become a favorite route for drug traffickers.... the citizens demanded action. The politicians did exactly what they needed to do to keep their jobs: they focused on a group of people that have absolutley no political power, no represenatation, and that no one really likes anyways... and scored some votes for November. Instead of clamping down on border activity... and instead of facing the ruthless cartels head on... they took the easy way out.

Isn't there a Simpsons episode that goes just like that?! LOL
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The total population of Illegals has supposedly gone down 1 million. It would make sense the ratio goes down but it is still too high a %.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:39 AM
 
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Obvious the pro-open borders side does not mind a bit that illegals are routinely held hostage in Phoenix, in second place as the kidnapping capital of the world.

So how come no one protests for the illegals being held captive, tortured, even killed? What happened to all their rights?

Oh - that has to do with human traffickers bringing them in so it's all good. No reason to protest.
Who says that we are pro-open borders. Again... another straw man argument, malamute. LOL.

And just in case you don't know what a straw man argument is (I mentioned it in a previuos thread and you seemed to be lost)

Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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