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Old 04-30-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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Yes, if we secured our borders better 50 years age, we wouldn't have to deal with the backlash now---so what.
Yes, if our federal and state governments didn't sleep with big businesses who love the cheap labor, we wouldn't have to deal with it now.
This is 2010, and the people who want to live here shall pass inspection through legal processes. Other countries just shoot first.
If the state or feds won't protect us. We will do it ourselves. To me civil rights mean: My shotgun is loaded, and your color makes no difference.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants do not deserve to be compared to rapists, murderers, and sundry miscreants. This is racism at its finest. The majority of them hopped the border and walked across the Rio Grande for better jobs and better pay. If you were in their situation, you would do the same.

It is really odd to me how most of the Europeans who came through Ellis Island were also uneducated, poor, didn't speak a WORD of English, and some were even criminals in their home countries, but the descendants of those people are so against Mexicans and Central Americans coming to this country. If it was easier for these people to become citizens, just like how Europeans had to basically step off of a boat to become American citizens, we wouldn't have this problem.

People are not going to stop coming to this country. There is NO way this country can send 12 million people back to where they came from. Who would head up this task? Who would pay for the labor of finding these folks? How would you find all 12 million people? Who would pay for the plane tickets to return all these people home? So many questions, no logical answers.
So no country should be allowed to enforce immigration laws or borders because doing so could be considered racist and mean against people escaping poverty. Brilliant stradegy.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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So no country should be allowed to enforce immigration laws or borders because doing so could be considered racist and mean against people escaping poverty. Brilliant stradegy.
That's all you got out of that? I swear, you guys are the same person with multiple screen names, because most of you have the exact same thought process.
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Every citizen has the right to defend and protect themselves and their country just as every other country does, the only ones that want to make it racial are those that are for them and they have nothing else to contribute but name calling. Don't like us protecting ourselves? Then don't let the door hit ya on your way out. I really don't understand why that is so hard to understand. Don't come here illegally( which shows NOTHING but disrespect for us ,our country and those that have been waiting years to do it the right way) and then EXPECT to be giving things and rights, and DON'T protest against us when we want our laws enforced. Illegals expect respect but give none in return, just demands. And people wonder why we are pissed off.
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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That's all you got out of that? I swear, you guys are the same person with multiple screen names, because most of you have the exact same thought process.
Same can be said about the pro-illegals. It's a 2 way street.
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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<< There is NO way this country can send 12 million people back to where they came from. >>

I don't see why not. We're told that the government can administer healthcare to upwards of 300,000,000 people, and track down and fine, those who don't comply, and the IRS can find any number of those who owe taxes, so why can't they round up 12,000,000 illegal aliens?

As far as it being expensive to deport 12,000,000 people, yes it is, but the cost of education, incarceration, medical care, and social services provided to illegal aliens over just a few years, far outways the cost of deportation.
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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How is this "racism at it's finest"? There are illegals of EVERY race in the US. It becomes racism when you MAKE IT about race.
Because the vast majority of illegals are of Hispanic descent. Whenever you hear about an illegal committing a crime, unfortunately they are Hispanic. You anti-illegals need to stop hopscotching around the issue. You all will complain that illegals need to learn how to speak English. Using your own words there are "illegals of EVERY race in the US." Obviously those harsh words aren't directed toward illegals from Canada, the UK, or Australia.

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How many times is this asinine argument going to be made? Take away their government handouts and their ability to find work and they will leave. Case closed, cost is $0 just by enforcing our laws that already exist.
How are you going to take away the ability of people to find work? When employers can pay illegals a fraction of what they are required to pay American citizens, what would be their incentive to stop hiring illegals? Nothing.

Also, cutting off the ability of illegals to find work will NOT entice them to go back home. First of all, many come here because they aren't earning anything back home. Why would they travel back to their home countries to be unemployed there? What sense does that make? Many of them establish lives here while they ARE employed. The quality of life here and ability to find work is leaps and bounds ahead of my countries illegals come from.

You seem to think this is so cut and dry. You are really, really clueless.
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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So no country should be allowed to enforce immigration laws or borders because doing so could be considered racist and mean against people escaping poverty. Brilliant stradegy.
I think every country should enforce immigration laws. What makes me angry is the illegals are demanding the right to break the law just to escape poverty. If that is the case, should we give poverty stricken, U.S. citizens the right to break the law? Most people would say no. Should we allow an unemployed American to go into a bank and rob the place just simply because he or she can't find a job? Most people would say no. Illegals are breaking the law and are getting special treatment. Not to mention many are on welfare, getting FREE education, and free healthcare. If a U.S. citizen were to break the law, we would be doing jail time and have our reputation and records permanently ruined.
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:56 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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So no country should be allowed to enforce immigration laws or borders because doing so could be considered racist and mean against people escaping poverty. Brilliant stradegy.
Yes, because that's EXACTLY what I said.

Please work on your reading comprehension and spelling. If illegals should be forced to learn English, why shouldn't you?
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:03 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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I think every country should enforce immigration laws. What makes me angry is the illegals are demanding the right to break the law just to escape poverty. If that is the case, should we give poverty stricken, U.S. citizens the right to break the law? Most people would say no. Should we allow an unemployed American to go into a bank and rob the place just simply because he or she can't find a job? Most people would say no. Illegals are breaking the law and are getting special treatment. Not to mention many are on welfare, getting FREE education, and free healthcare. If a U.S. citizen were to break the law, we would be doing jail time and have our reputation and records permanently ruined.
Great logic, Blue. Most immigrants came to this country to escape poverty. Throughout our history various ethnic groups have been legalized at different speeds. Most Europeans were legalized once they stepped of the boat. Cubans are legalized as soon as their feet hit American soil. Yet for Mexicans and Central Americans it often takes years, if not decades, to become legalized citizens. How is this fair? We are a country of immigrants. Why are there different immigration standards for different nationalities. That makes no sense.

What special treatment are these illegals getting? The overwhelming majority of illegals are NOT on welfare, actually PAY taxes, and have NO healthcare. I see nothing wrong with trying to do better for your family, even if that includes being in this country illegally. Any person with any sense would try to do everything in their power to make the best life for their family.
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