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Old 05-01-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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All those troops are coming home from Iraq - station them along all the borders....
Give them something meaningful to do....

Illegal means ILLEGAL !!
Either you come into the country legally or you are invading our nation & should be shot on sight....
You can't have it both ways...
Nope...Obama says having the military on the border will send "the wrong message" to our neighbors in Mexico and Hillary Clinton tells us that it's all our fault because we use the drugs that come through our borders.

And, former Governor of Arizona, Janet Napolitano, who now roams the marble halls in Washington, declares the border "is secure as it's always been"...even though she thought enough of it a few years ago to send in the National Guard...she now lives somewhere in la-la land where if you ignore crime, it just goes away.

Napolitano wrong to say border is secure | The Sierra Vista Herald (http://www.svherald.com/content/our-view/2010/04/27/napolitano-wrong-say-border-secure - broken link)
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Old 05-01-2010, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Did you see the amount of flashing cameras that were there when she gave a press conference? Jeezus...you'd think she was a head of state.

Perhaps we should all ask why Shakira, who doesn't even LIVE in the USA has an opinion about a state she knows nothing about.

Where was she when Phoenix became the second-highest kidnapping city in the world? Did she go offer condolences to Robert Krentz's family (the rancher who was murdered)? Did she send some flowers to the officer shot yesterday by an AK-47-carrying drug smuggler?

Does she have an opinion about the illegals coming to Arizona and keeping wages low and crime high which disproportionately affects the LEGAL Hispanic workers?
Rep to you!
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Old 05-01-2010, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Including LEGAL Hispanic-Americans.

Excellent video:


YouTube - Gabriella Speaks City Council Meeting April 27, 2010
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Old 05-01-2010, 05:02 PM
 
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Those 70% of Americans don't control the country. The US constitution does. If this law is not constitutional, those 70% of Americans are wrong and cannot impose mob rule on a minority.

The founding fathers knew that majority rule sucks.

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It's OUR country. WE get to make the laws.

Poll: Most support Arizona immigration law - UPI.com

Want to reform immigration laws?

2. SECURE THE BORDER

3. PUNISH EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE ILLEGALS

4. EXPAND LEGAL IMMGRATION

Oh, wait. I forgot number 1:

1. THROW OUT OUR CURRENT GUTLESS POLITICIANS --- OF BOTH PARTIES --- WHO HAVEN'T THE COURAGE TO ENACT 2, 3, AND 4.
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Old 05-01-2010, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Those 70% of Americans don't control the country. The US constitution does. If this law is not constitutional, those 70% of Americans are wrong and cannot impose mob rule on a minority.

The founding fathers knew that majority rule sucks.
The “questionable” sections of the law have been amended. The remainder mirrors our current federal law. If this law is unconstitutional, then our federal immigration law is as well.
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Old 05-01-2010, 05:47 PM
 
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I've read the bill, and most of it is fine. I particularly liked the section regarding employers and the unlawful hiring if illegal aliens. The part I did not like, is as you might have guessed, the part of this alleged profiling of people who are perceived to be "illegal", which most happen to be hispanic. Miss Gabriela is right though, there is nothing in the law that says cops can stop someone because of the color of their skin. But if confronted with a white man and a Mestizo-indian looking individual, who is officer more likely to stop on assumed charges of being illegal? Lastly, it seems that Miss Gabriela is misinformed because she keeps going on about the same thing, about this racial profiling not being in the law, when she knows in fact that most illegals are Hispanics.

Now of course this law inadvertently screws things up for hispanics because they will get hassled the most. Even Republicans of Mexican descent are opposing this law because this would directly affect them in Arizona. But, you know, looks like I'm going to have to get a BMW afterall. But then I might get accused of being a drug dealer and arouse more suspicion...? It's a lose-lose!
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Old 05-01-2010, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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I live in Phoenix and I think many have misunderstood the part of the law about allowing police officers to stop Hispanics just because they are Hispanic, that's not how the law is written, police officers have to have a reason to stop a Hispanic individual, such as a traffic violation, or any other calls made about somebody who's doing something wrong, like domestic violence, or causing a disturbance of any kind. Under such circumstances, the police officer will ask for an identification from the individual, like a driver's license, a green card, or any form of ID that tells the police officer the individual is in the United States legally. If they cannot produce any form of such ID, then the police officer will do whatever is appropriate in the situation, such as arrest the individual and have immigration deport them, or if a crime was committed, then have them go through the normal dew process of law.
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Old 05-01-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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I live in Phoenix and I think many have misunderstood the part of the law about allowing police officers to stop Hispanics just because they are Hispanic, that's not how the law is written, police officers have to have a reason to stop a Hispanic individual, such as a traffic violation, or any other calls made about somebody who's doing something wrong, like domestic violence, or causing a disturbance of any kind. Under such circumstances, the police officer will ask for an identification from the individual, like a driver's license, a green card, or any form of ID that tells the police officer the individual is in the United States legally. If they cannot produce any form of such ID, then the police officer will do whatever is appropriate in the situation, such as arrest the individual and have immigration deport them, or if a crime was committed, then have them go through the normal dew process of law.

That is how I understand it as well. However, because there is basically NO unbiased media anymore, I have yet to see a levelheaded critique or explanation of the law be presented by the MSM.

It's either, "Racist Nazis" or "Git Er done!"
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:00 PM
 
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I've read the bill, and most of it is fine. I particularly liked the section regarding employers and the unlawful hiring if illegal aliens. The part I did not like, is as you might have guessed, the part of this alleged profiling of people who are perceived to be "illegal", which most happen to be hispanic. Miss Gabriela is right though, there is nothing in the law that says cops can stop someone because of the color of their skin. But if confronted with a white man and a Mestizo-indian looking individual, who is officer more likely to stop on assumed charges of being illegal? Lastly, it seems that Miss Gabriela is misinformed because she keeps going on about the same thing, about this racial profiling not being in the law, when she knows in fact that most illegals are Hispanics.

Now of course this law inadvertently screws things up for hispanics because they will get hassled the most. Even Republicans of Mexican descent are opposing this law because this would directly affect them in Arizona. But, you know, looks like I'm going to have to get a BMW afterall. But then I might get accused of being a drug dealer and arouse more suspicion...? It's a lose-lose!
Here is where you go wrong. Let's say that a Hispanic is stopped for a traffic violaton and also a white person, black and asian. Whichever ones cannot produce valid I.D. will be the suspected one. Does that clear it up for you? There are also non-hispanics that are in this country illegally.
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:06 PM
 
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Here is where you go wrong. Let's say that a Hispanic is stopped for a traffic violaton and also a white person. Whichever one cannot produce valid I.D. will be the suspected one. Does that clear it up for you? There are non-hispanics that are in this country illegally also.

I do suspect this is how its going to be done, unless an officer will pull over people and directly tell them, "I suspect you of being an illegal immigrant". That probably will not happen, and will be done under the guise of a "traffic violation.

Have you ever forgotten your wallet and ID? Let's change the scenario up just slightly. Hispanic person and a White person get stopped, both have no ID's, who's going to be taken in for being suspected as an illegal immigrant? I realize there are non-hispanics, but they make up a much smaller minority.
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