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Old 05-01-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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How excatly does this law force the FedGovs hand? The republicans have already said they have no intention of even discussing immigration reform and as we've seen with drugs, more enforcement DOES NOT work. Why is that so hard to understand? Where there is money to be made, they will come, legally or illegally. Until we come up with comprehensive immigration reform this will continue to happen. Republicans in Congress will use these incidents as political fodder to drum up outrage and the Dems will use the civil rights issues that will surely come out of the Arizona law to do the same. At some point, we need real solutions not of bunch of politically expediant kneejerk reactions.
Please explain how “comprehensive immigration reform” will solve our problems. What will a new bill do that our current laws can’t? Moreover, what makes you believe a new immigration law will be enforced, given that our government intentionally ignores our current laws? How will anything be different, other than we will have legalized millions of illegal aliens?

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Old 05-01-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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We heard all these broken promises in 1986, before many of you were even born!

Immigration reform, is not what they want you to believe it is. Just like 1986, it opened the flood gates for the next wave. Here we are today with a big problem that amnesty is only going to perpetuate into an even more massive invasion of parasites, once again.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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They have. The Bush administration did NOTHING. The Obama administration has already said they won't militarize the border because it "sends the wrong message to our neighbors." Janet Do-Nothing Napolitano sent the border patrol but told them they were there for "decoration" and couldn't do anything but hold them for ICE.

What's sad is that the people protesting think that one political party is "their friend" which is ridiculous. It's about electoral votes or businesses making money off of cheap labor. Harry Reid is pushing this bill the hardest because he's getting his butt kicked in the polls in Nevada. He's pretending he's "oh so concerned" about this bill when in reality, he's just rubbing his hands together over the votes he's hoping to get. Politics needs to be taken out of this and then they can focus on what the real issue is...a crime rate soaring, law enforcement being shot, neighborhoods being used for drop houses and drugs coming into the country as easily as the hardworking farmer. Those issues should have nothing to do with a "D" or an "R" after a name on the ballot.

This law, if nothing else, is the final straw to force the fed government's hand. I'm not even sure if the governor thinks it will really work...it just was the only way they could finally get people's attention.

Had something been done decades ago when the problem was manageable, it may have been dealt with in a kinder, gentler way. But what used to be illegals looking for a better life has become big business in human and drug smuggling and the only way to deal with that is harshly and swiftly, which is exactly what this bill does.
Sounds like a clarion call for armed American citizens to me.
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:17 PM
 
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Wow thats some strong logic. If banks gave money away for free then there wouldn't be bank robberies.
If women never said no then there wouldn't be rapes.
LOL excuses excuses.
No, that is reality-your examples are not the same at all- if Marijuana was a legal product, there woudn't be the smuggling of it into this country by the drug cartels- there would still be smuggling of heroin and cocaine- but the loss of the marijuana market would seriously hit these drug cartels where they live-money-their income would seriously drop, and would seriously decrease the violence along the border-I would guess that there is more marijuana brought into this country than the other two drugs mentioned due to the fact that there are way more people that use marijuana-

Those that think that the average illegal alien is involved in these violent acts along the border are just lumping all aliens into the drug cartels violent acts-like trying to lump anyone in the inner city into the gangbangers violence-
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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No kidding. Like making this crap legal won't start wars over who is the main distributor?
If Marijuana was legal here it would be the U.S. tobacco companies most likely selling it- it would be taken out of the hands of the gangs and druglords- who do you think would be fighting over distribution? I guess in your mind the Marlboro man would be shooting Joe Camel for control of the hood-
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:23 PM
 
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Time to close our borders till we figure out a new immigration policy. Enought is enough.
How do you propose closing the border? With the two wars Bush started still in play, the military is stretched too thin as it is- the cost involved to actually close the border would require money-and manpower which means more money- would have to raise taxes-
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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Its sort of funny how much arGuing over issues like this have come up during Obama'a term- maybe cause he is actually talking about these sorts of issues and trying to do something about them, instead of the previous administration who didn't do anything but go to the ranch for R&R
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Its sort of funny how much arGuing over issues like this have come up during Obama'a term- maybe cause he is actually talking about these sorts of issues and trying to do something about them, instead of the previous administration who didn't do anything but go to the ranch for R&R
The only thing Obama is trying to do is legalize them so he can get their votes when the rest of the country votes against him.

Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama all had the some solution; amnesty. They (the Dems and Reps) both want their votes. They could care less about the 6,000+ Americans who are killed by illegal immigrants every year, and the countless rapes, and the pillaging of our homeland.


Meanwhile Janet Nobrain insists that the "border is as secure as it's ever been". What planet is she on? Everyday more and more Americans are being butchered by illegal immigrants and drug cartels. God knows how many drugs are smuggled across the border everyday.
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:06 PM
 
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The only thing Obama is trying to do is legalize them so he can get their votes when the rest of the country votes against him.

Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama all had the some solution; amnesty. They (the Dems and Reps) both want their votes. They could care less about the 6,000+ Americans who are killed by illegal immigrants every year, and the countless rapes, and the pillaging of our homeland.


Meanwhile Janet Nobrain insists that the "border is as secure as it's ever been". What planet is she on? Everyday more and more Americans are being butchered by illegal immigrants and drug cartels. God knows how many drugs are smuggled across the border everyday.
Just legalize the drugs and they won't be flowing over the border-the U.S. could regulate and tax the market for these drugs-the addicts will be doing them anyways, why not cure some problems, including one of the biggest problems with the southern border? Don't give me that sad line that it would make more people addicted to drugs- there are plenty of U.S. citizens addicted to prescription drugs now-
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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You are certainly not describing the Bush I recall.
Oh, I beg your pardon, yes I am. He bombed Iraq and Afghanistan, and had he remained in office longer, Iran and other countries would have been in his crosshairs.



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He was so weak when it came to border issues and would not dream of bombing Mexico, just like Clinton and just like Obama. They pander to either big business wanting cheap labor or some misguided notion that these people will be supporters in the next election.

I think we need to return all illegals back home and start over with a better entrance policy. What is wrong with that?
Better entrance policy? Come come now, the USA already has Immigration laws on the books, which are enforced. The problem is, a highly porous border with Mexico. It would, take an ARMY to stop or slow the flow.
And, as I said in a previous post: ALLEGEDLY SHOT,
Can people wait for the end of the investigation and then conclude?
Surely, the shooter was well armed. Being well armed isn't the sign of illegals trying to get into our country. If I had to conclude anything, it would be that these people (shooter included) were trying to smuggle drugs. If people watch this video, they might see just how difficult being a CBP agent's job is.

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