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Old 05-01-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Remember prohibition on alcohol?
Erie resemblance, isn't it. Just on a bigger scale.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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The Problem is DRUG TRAFFIC, we need to have the Military here to shut down the DRUG TRAFFIC. Meanwhile we can figure out what to do about immigration.
I agree with you on this one. But in the meantime, the ones here illegally need to come forward so they can be checked as far as health and criminal backgrounds go. Does little good if we close the border and trap the drug criminals. We simply need to start over with a better policy for all decent workers.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Typical contrived exaggerated overeation by rightwingers. "An illegal shot a cop, lets make an insane, impractical, unconstitutional, unenforcable law that wont stop this from happening but will make us(rightwingers) feel all warm and fuzzy"..When Joe Whiteguy shoots a cop, nobody clamours to make absurd laws..Rightwingers will claim the cop had it coming for infringing on Mr. Whiteguy's freedom.
so what is your suggestion to the problem? Do nothing as usual?
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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so what is your suggestion to the problem? Do nothing as usual?
Deporting 10s of 1000s of illegals a year is hardly doing "nothing".
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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This is an Ak-47 folks...that's drug cartel stuff. Whole different ball game.
Yep and that's what Arizonans are reacting to. There's always been an element of the "get all the illegals out" group who doesn't want anyone Hispanic in Phoenix. It would be dumb to pretend otherwise, but in all of my years of living in Phoenix, there was sort of an attitude of "live and let live" because many of the illegals really WERE working hard.

Over the last decade, there has been a noticeable uptick in the violence. What was once a group of illegals trying to cross the desert (many of them with disastrous results) on their own, has become BIG business in human smuggling and drug smuggling. Mexicans pay a "coyote" to take them across the desert and usually there are drugs that come along too. Many times, the coyotes take the money before the trip and then bring them to a house and hold them for ransom until one of their family members pay up.

I watched the news unfold yesterday on CNN and there was a reporter who has been in Pinal County with the sherriff's office who had some great perspective. The first day, he drove along on a shift of about 6 hours. The area they covered was very small and yet they caught almost 60 illegals, 200 pounds of marijuana and 6 machine guns. He said himself that coming from New York, he had NO idea how serious and dangerous this is. He thought he was going to be chasing down groups of illegals and instead found himself in the middle of a gunfight, seeing for himself that there is a serious drug business involved and understanding that the police in Arizona are crying out for help because they haven't received ANY from the feds.

This has moved WAY beyond the "hardworking immigrant looking for a better life." It's now big business in human and drug smuggling and those who are doing it are well armed and have no problem opening fire on those trying to stop them.

BTW, after the deputy was found and the manhunt for the shooters started, the Arizona Republic confirmed that the helicopters looking for the suspects took gunfire from the ground.

And yet, today there will be protests calling anyone who support this bill "racist", the people are still calling for boycotts and those who don't live in Arizona think they understand the issue. Perhaps they should send their condolences to the rancher who was murdered or the deputy who was shot instead of trying to tell another state how to do their business.
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Time to bring more of our troops home and set them up right along the Mexico border all up on towers with MK19s, 203s and SAWs (just for the ones coming illegally. You come here through proper channels, I am ALL for you being here)
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Old 05-01-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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so what is your suggestion to the problem? Do nothing as usual?
Crime is crime, be it an American or an illegal. Fake outrage over one shooting is ridiculous. Are we going to stop and ask every white guy for his "papers" after the next whiteguy shooting? No, we'll buzz right past it as usual.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Arizona's new law is just more of the same B.S. grandstanding from government. If the governor really wanted to due something then call up the Guard and militarize the boarder. Force Obama's hand. This law is not practical. Only one thing can stem the tide of illegal boarder crossings and that is to militarize the boarder. The great people of Arizona should be screaming at the top of their lungs for a call to action.
They have. The Bush administration did NOTHING. The Obama administration has already said they won't militarize the border because it "sends the wrong message to our neighbors." Janet Do-Nothing Napolitano sent the border patrol but told them they were there for "decoration" and couldn't do anything but hold them for ICE.

What's sad is that the people protesting think that one political party is "their friend" which is ridiculous. It's about electoral votes or businesses making money off of cheap labor. Harry Reid is pushing this bill the hardest because he's getting his butt kicked in the polls in Nevada. He's pretending he's "oh so concerned" about this bill when in reality, he's just rubbing his hands together over the votes he's hoping to get. Politics needs to be taken out of this and then they can focus on what the real issue is...a crime rate soaring, law enforcement being shot, neighborhoods being used for drop houses and drugs coming into the country as easily as the hardworking farmer. Those issues should have nothing to do with a "D" or an "R" after a name on the ballot.

This law, if nothing else, is the final straw to force the fed government's hand. I'm not even sure if the governor thinks it will really work...it just was the only way they could finally get people's attention.

Had something been done decades ago when the problem was manageable, it may have been dealt with in a kinder, gentler way. But what used to be illegals looking for a better life has become big business in human and drug smuggling and the only way to deal with that is harshly and swiftly, which is exactly what this bill does.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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They have. The Bush administration did NOTHING. The Obama administration has already said they won't militarize the border because it "sends the wrong message to our neighbors." Janet Do-Nothing Napolitano sent the border patrol but told them they were there for "decoration" and couldn't do anything but hold them for ICE.

What's sad is that the people protesting think that one political party is "their friend" which is ridiculous. It's about electoral votes or businesses making money off of cheap labor. Harry Reid is pushing this bill the hardest because he's getting his butt kicked in the polls in Nevada. He's pretending he's "oh so concerned" about this bill when in reality, he's just rubbing his hands together over the electoral votes he's hoping to get. Politics needs to be taken out of this and then they can focus on what the real issue is...a crime rate soaring, law enforcement being shot, neighborhoods being used for drop houses and drugs coming into the country as easily as the hardworking farmer. Those issues should have nothing to do with a "D" or an "R" after a name on the ballot.

This law, if nothing else, is the final straw to force the fed government's hand. I'm not even sure if the governor thinks it will really work...it just was the only way they could finally get people's attention.

Had something been done decades ago when the problem was manageable, it may have been dealt with in a kinder, gentler way. But what used to be illegals looking for a better life has become big business in human and drug smuggling and the only way to deal with that is harshly and swiftly, which is exactly what this bill does.
How excatly does this law force the FedGovs hand? The republicans have already said they have no intention of even discussing immigration reform and as we've seen with drugs, more enforcement DOES NOT work. Why is that so hard to understand? Where there is money to be made, they will come, legally or illegally. Until we come up with comprehensive immigration reform this will continue to happen. Republicans in Congress will use these incidents as political fodder to drum up outrage and the Dems will use the civil rights issues that will surely come out of the Arizona law to do the same. At some point, we need real solutions not of bunch of politically expediant kneejerk reactions.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:20 PM
 
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Really sad. I hope the cop is okay. No doubt the loony Leftists in California will try to defend and help the violent illegal alien criminals because they think laws are "racist".

Gov. Jan Brewer has the majority nation's full support.

http://azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/PR_...r_Shooting.pdf

"As we have seen in the past, drug smugglers and cartel members invading our state are not innocent fathers and mothers longing for a better life for their family. Regardless of the outcome of tonight's manhunt and investigation, Arizona is now confronted by some of the most vicious and dangerous narco-terror organizations the world has seen. Their cause is not honest labor in desperate need of sustenance; it is murder, terror and mayhem in furtherance of a multi-billion dollar criminal enterprise.

"The horrendous violence we see by narco-terrorists is uncontrolled, and our own federal government refuses to fulfill its responsibility to secure our border."
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