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Old 05-02-2010, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It was in the past, so I was correct in saying that. If Europeans were here first and still controlled the land then I would say "were" even though they had power.

And now Mexicans are coming in just as Europeans did. It should not be a problem.
Actually: unlike the Indian tribes 400 years ago warring amongst themselves and not having decent weaponry; the USA is still quite capable of stopping the flow of illegal aliens, in this case, from Mexico and of SoB does not 'play ball'---------we can disable that nation by various means.
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The earlier or later groups of American Indians? The Comanches were some nasty 'mofos' towards weaker groups and, knowing human nature, were just as guilty of atrocities as the Hispanic conquistadors and later Anglo groups.
I know more than enough about Native American history, thanks.

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Actually: unlike the Indian tribes 400 years ago warring amongst themselves and not having decent weaponry; the USA is still quite capable of stopping the flow of illegal aliens, in this case, from Mexico and of SoB does not 'play ball'---------we can disable that nation by various means.
They worked together a lot more than you know.

If America can stop it, they haven't done a very good job and in fact, nobody has or can say anything against my argument for immigration being right.
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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I know more than enough about Native American history, thanks.



They worked together a lot more than you know.

If America can stop it, they haven't done a very good job and in fact, nobody has or can say anything against my argument for immigration being right.
Legal immigration is acceptable. Illegal immigration is not.
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I know more than enough about Native American history, thanks.

They worked together a lot more than you know.
And the Indians still lost the war. Just accept the fact that the Euros were simply bigger and badder 'Indians'. Needless to say: by the standards of the era..........such behavior was acceptable. Just accept it and move on. And the Indians today have the same rights (at least in the USA) as the dominant race/ethnicity.

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If America can stop it, they haven't done a very good job and in fact, nobody has or can say anything against my argument for immigration being right.
It is over; just accept it. The pro illegal side lost the war. Needless to say: it is little more than mop-up operations now i.e. expelling those remaining illegal aliens here in the USA.
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Old 05-02-2010, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And the Indians still lost the war. Just accept the fact that the Euros were simply bigger and badder 'Indians'. Needless to say: by the standards of the era..........such behavior was acceptable. Just accept it and move on. And the Indians today have the same rights (at least in the USA) as the dominant race/ethnicity.



It is over; just accept it. The pro illegal side lost the war. Needless to say: it is little more than mop-up operations now i.e. expelling those remaining illegal aliens here in the USA.
Your second paragraph contradicts your first.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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You people want a county or not..make up your mind
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So, then - are you saying it's a good idea or at least OK to run someone off of their property to take it over for your own use?

If you go back and reread the OP, you will find out that it is a kvetch because immigrants are here. I was merely explaining why I am here. Had my ancestors stayed where they were and not run the Indians off, I would be somewhere in England at the present.

Not judgemental, just stating the facts.
This is a rather awkward argument here. Are you saying the current people crossing illegally from Guatemala and Mexico had relatives living in the area now the US, hundreds of years ago?
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:01 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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Well, the Native Americans were the rightful owners and they did not want us here. You can't have it both ways.
There are no two ways about it. I own my land, I bought it and continue to pay taxes on it. Come onto my land intrusively and you get shot, I can do that where I live. And "Hello?!!??!!, It's 2010". Time to wake up and go to school now.

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Old 05-03-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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There are no two ways about it. I own my land, I bought it and continue to pay taxes on it. Come onto my land intrusively and you get shot, I can do that where I live. And "Hello?!!??!!, It's 2010". Time to wake up and go to school now.
1. Either you believe that it's inevitable and should not be stopped (new people going into America)

2. Or you believe we are illegal in America because the Native Americans did not want us here.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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1. Either you believe that it's inevitable and should not be stopped (new people going into America)

2. Or you believe we are illegal in America because the Native Americans did not want us here.
No one is here illegally if they were born here. Those who came here long ago are all dead now. Even the native Americans didn't sprout up out of the ground like corn. They also came from somewhere else. Get your head out of the history books and into the year 2010. You yourself said we shouldn't let history repeat itself, therefore we are protecting our country from illegal entry. If it is racist to do so then that means that the native Americans were also racist for trying to protect their land.
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