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Old 05-01-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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Arizona Grades Teachers on Fluency - WSJ.com

The Arizona Department of Education recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English.

Margaret Dugan, keep up with your teabagging ways.

jesus christ! that state is going to crumble.
Actually this is a good thing. If you're going to teach English, it helps if you can actually speak it.
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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One thing is clear after reading through this thread. Obviously our schools are failing. Look how the left wingers jump to support anything that is wrong, rail against any options to assure a proper education. This is the direct result of liberalism and the dumbing down of America.


They are so filled with the "progressive's" propaganda they cannot even acknowledge that someone with a heavy accent does not pronounce words correctly so kids can learn properly.
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Old 05-01-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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One thing is clear after reading through this thread. Obviously our schools are failing. Look how the left wingers jump to support anything that is wrong, rail against any options to assure a proper education. This is the direct result of liberalism and the dumbing down of America.


They are so filled with the "progressive's" propaganda they cannot even acknowledge that someone with a heavy accent does not pronounce words correctly so kids can learn properly.
Um,

Y'all call me a "left winger" and a "liberal" all the time, yet, if you read my post from earlier, I thought it was stupid to have teachers teaching English, who can't speak it properly.

Its not always left leaning people, who have bad ideas. This is the problem right now. Everyone on the right thinks the left is wrong, all the time, and everyone on the left thinks that the right is wrong, all the time.

Can't we end the left right thing, and just recognize a good/bad idea when we see one?
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Old 05-01-2010, 04:41 PM
 
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If they're illegal, I'm for it. If they're legal, I think thats extremely wrong. If a teacher's a good teacher, why cut them because of their accent or whatnot?
There is a very good reason for not hiring teachers who don't speak English properly to teach English to kids who are still learning. I was an ELL teacher in AZ. The reason they want teachers who use grammatically correct English is so they can teach the kids to write in sentences correctly, talk in sentences correctly, and be able to understand academic language.

Often a child learns a language through a process called modeling. Modeling is basically where you show a child how to say something and expect them to repeat it and be able to apply it. For example, when I was teaching, I expected all of my students to answer my questions in complete sentences in English. I also had to teach them vocabulary. A teacher who is learning English would not be able teach vocabulary because he/she is just learning vocab words. The students were expected to write in English. I accepted no excuses from my students. Many of my students tested fluent by the end of the year and became great readers.

If you think about it, if a student learns English from a teacher with poor grammar, would you want them to learn poor grammar? If a kid is learning from a teacher with poor grammar, that is exactly what is going to happen.

Arizona school districts are not discriminating. They just want teachers who have a good knowledge of the English language to be teaching English. I worked with teachers who were white, black, and hispanic. All had a good knowledge of the English language.
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Old 05-01-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: California
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This is good news. I know several teachers who speak both English (native language) and Spanish and would love a good job.
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Old 05-01-2010, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Its a Surprise!
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Does this include a thick southern accent? Or are y'all exempt?
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:18 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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As someone who teaches with foreign born teachers (and who almost 40 years ago took college classes under foreign born instructors) the ability to understand them is paramount. We have a couple teachers who the kids across the board (meaning not just the usual complainers) complain they can't understand.
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:27 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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My German teacher was from India and had a very heavy Indian accent. It was a lost cause. Seriously. I didn't learn a thing, yet still passed.
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Old 05-02-2010, 04:09 AM
 
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As someone who teaches with foreign born teachers (and who almost 40 years ago took college classes under foreign born instructors) the ability to understand them is paramount. We have a couple teachers who the kids across the board (meaning not just the usual complainers) complain they can't understand.
I know in college I had a couple professors that, while very smart in the subject they taught, I and many of my classmates found to be horrible teachers. The reason was simple: communication. Their accents were so hard to understand that our ability to learn and benefit from the classes was severely handicapped. Sure, it was a class on aerodynamics, but in reality it was a class in comprehension: we students trying to comprehend what that guy was saying. It was very frustrating!
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Old 05-02-2010, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Kenmore, WA
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I left AZ in '90 because I just couldn't stomach the bigotry and ignorance, anymore. There are so many nice things about the state, but their racial biases sully everything.

Sadly, they don't understand the good the Hispanic culture has brought them, choosing to focus only on the negatives.

How like people in general, isn't it?
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