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Old 05-02-2010, 09:21 AM
 
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Gutierrez should be booted out of office and out of the country.

He is an example of why I will never vote for a hispanic. Every one of them seem to represent the best interest of foreign citizens instead of Americans.
WRONG!!!!!

Steve Montenegro for Arizona House of Representatives

You cannot make assumptions that every hispanic has no respect for the laws of this country. Not all promote illegal entry and human trafficking and felony document fraud and ID theft.

Not all hispanics are about bringing in unlimited numbers of cheap labor to replace the American middle class.

This guy is an American, and puts his country before any so-called race. He voted for the Arizona bill.
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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I always hear Mexico's immigration laws being mentioned. People often say, "well let's try their immigration laws!". Those are the same exact people that think Mexico is a hypocritical backwards country. Why would you want to adopt hypocritical backwards laws
It's the Mexicans living here that are he ones who slam Mexico more than anyone. They are the ones insisting (and lying) that people in Mexico are starving to death, that it's a horrible place to live, that it's worse than a Nazi concentration camp.

The same Mexicans who will not lift a finger to improve Mexico are who paint the worst picture of it. Most Americans actually find Mexico a charming, beautiful country with friendly people if they ever go there. Most Americans hear about Mexico second hand - from the illegals who say how horrible it would be to go back there.
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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WRONG!!!!!

Steve Montenegro for Arizona House of Representatives

You cannot make assumptions that every hispanic has no respect for the laws of this country. Not all promote illegal entry and human trafficking and felony document fraud and ID theft.

Not all hispanics are about bringing in unlimited numbers of cheap labor to replace the American middle class.

This guy is an American, and puts his country before any so-called race. He voted for the Arizona bill.
If what you are claiming is true and he voted for this Arizona bill then he is just about the only hispanic politician who isn't against it.
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I really don't think this is about supporting non-citizens. This has everything to do with the repercussions for Hispanics legally living in the U.S. Simple fact is that there are more legal Hispanics living in the U.S than illegal ones. The police will be actively looking for Hispanic looking individuals, because as the stereotype goes, the default illegal immigrant will look Mestizo-Indian.
Uh....yeah.

You don't know much about Gutierrez do you.....
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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If what you are claiming is true and he voted for this Arizona bill then he is just about the only hispanic politician who isn't against it.
No --- wrong again.

El Paso County Chief Of Staff Wants Immigration Law Similar To Arizona's - News Story - KVIA El Paso

Don't make the assumption that all hispanics want unlimited immigration and no border security and want illegals given instant citizenship.

For one not all hispanics are here illegally, some made the effort to abide by the laws themselves and they see the need for an orderly process for immigration.
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Old 05-02-2010, 09:58 AM
 
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Some hispanics most definitely do put the interests of the US and of their fellow Americans first. They are not all like Gutierrez who wants unlimited immigration from hispanic countries -- he's got his own agenda obviously, he is not at all about the American people.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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Some hispanics most definitely do put the interests of the US and of their fellow Americans first. They are not all like Gutierrez who wants unlimited immigration from hispanic countries -- he's got his own agenda obviously, he is not at all about the American people.
I agree but how many hispanic politicians are advocates of illegal aliens vs those who are not? You'd be hard pressed to find one or two that are not pro-illegals. Gee, do you think it has anything to do with the fact that most illegals are ethnically like themselves?
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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WRONG!!!!!

Steve Montenegro for Arizona House of Representatives

You cannot make assumptions that every hispanic has no respect for the laws of this country. Not all promote illegal entry and human trafficking and felony document fraud and ID theft.

Not all hispanics are about bringing in unlimited numbers of cheap labor to replace the American middle class.

This guy is an American, and puts his country before any so-called race. He voted for the Arizona bill.
Good point there, malamute. Not all putative 'Latino' politicians are Un-American traitors who favor their so-called 'raza' over us.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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Gutierrez is just trying to ensure his reelection in his grotesquely democratically gerrymandered district. The amnesty democrat formula of blatantly kissing hispanic ass including above all especially illegal alien hispanics is obviously the formula Gutierrez is using. The amnesty democratic politicians have been blatantly hispanic ass kissing for so long hispanics both legal and unwanted uninvited border jumpers have developed a sense of entitlement such that any and all politicians must now blatantly hispander to their tribally ethnocentric constituents to be even considered to be voted for.
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Old 05-02-2010, 11:17 AM
 
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It's the Mexicans living here that are he ones who slam Mexico more than anyone. They are the ones insisting (and lying) that people in Mexico are starving to death, that it's a horrible place to live, that it's worse than a Nazi concentration camp.
You've got that right - that's why they left. Although, I've never heard of people calling it like a concentration camp. It's really not that bad. Mexico has the 14th highest GDP in the world, which places it above, economically, to most countries in the world. The main reason they dislike Mexico is the lack of future the country holds for its rural population. People either move to the cities, or, they come to the U.S.

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The same Mexicans who will not lift a finger to improve Mexico are who paint the worst picture of it. Most Americans actually find Mexico a charming, beautiful country with friendly people if they ever go there. Most Americans hear about Mexico second hand - from the illegals who say how horrible it would be to go back there.
I think that American view of Mexico has changed for the worst. When I went to Mexico last December I was told I was crazy due to the "drug violence". No one wanted to go because it simply wasn't safe. They were right to an extent, it was the border states that were unsafe. Though, the media painted the entire country as being engulfed in constant drug lord battles.

The people complaining most about the situation are the ones that have been immigrating recently. Moreso, the people of Southern Mexico where they are far more impoverished than the Central and Northern states. Their main subsistence is on agriculture, and guess where that is? NAFTA has made it impossible for these people to compete in the U.S market because of the corporate farms in the U.S that provide food a very low cost. Sure - they are allowed free trade, but they simply cannot compete with the corporations. Think of it as the mom and pop store Vs. Walmart.
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