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Old 05-02-2010, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Originally Posted by Obamadrama View Post
You need help!
So originally white Americans are not here legally????????????????
What what Europeans, Africans, Middle Eastern, Aussies, and NZers....

Hey let them all in, open the fences............yesss!
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You nailed it, Sport.
Which has no relevance to today. We are a sovereign nation that has the right to control our borders. Prior to the Euros: knowing human nature; I can SAFELY say that different Indian groups were just as vicious (or more so) to potential invaders as well---------the difference being that the Euros had certain diseases (through no fault of their own) and better weapons to win.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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White Americans are also immigrants. Did you not study American history in high school?
Are you like really young? If so, I apologize and will not debate the issue with you.
ALL people here in the USA are of 'immigrant' stock..............we all started out in E Africa.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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Dude we need to do something about the illegal thing ASAP!
Mexicans everywhere now!
Thanks Obama!
Why are you blaming Obama? This problem has been around for many years and through many presidents. It didn't just start last year.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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Which has no relevance to today. We are a sovereign nation that has the right to control our borders. Prior to the Euros: knowing human nature; I can SAFELY say that different Indian groups were just as vicious (or more so) to potential invaders as well---------the difference being that the Euros had certain diseases (through no fault of their own) and better weapons to win.
You are so right! My ancestors tried to kill off my other ancestors who came here on their little ships. And then my other ancestors brought their diseases and such that killed off some my ancestors who were already here. Thankfully neither of them succeeded 100% or *I* wouldn't be here!
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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No one is "illegal". That's paramount to calling someone's child illegitimate because the parents are not married. Labels are for clothing, not human beings.

There is also an influx of Asian's entering the country illegally, there are more of them than Hispanics so what is the difference?

Europeans and Canadians cross the border illegally on a regular basis also.

The only people who are here legally are Native Americans and Black people.

So much wrong with this.

#1, they are "immigrants" who did not come here using the proper channels designated by the US government... therefore, they are ILLEGAL immigrants. If that offends your mealy mouthed sensibilities, then so be it.

#2, There are not more Asians entering the country here illegally than Hispanics. But that isn't the point. ASIANS tend to assimilate and try to blend in a bit better. They also don't demand that they have a "right" to be here because 400 years ago some white men from Europe claimed the US Southwest for the King of European Country that Mexico didn't have the population or power to keep under their own control post-independence from Spain.

#3, What percentage of illegal immigrants are Euro or Canadian? 3%? 5%? People can deal with a small amount of illegal immigration, because you can't stop it all. Even from SOB it was just a joke until large swaths of the Southwest have come to resemble a typical South or Central American crap hole.

#4, Why are Native Americans here "legally?" They too came from somewhere else (Asia), just like Europeans. We have no idea if they displaced a native population that pre-dated them. Native Americans also did not control the ENTIRE continent.

Likewise, not all black people are descendants of former slaves. Indeed, there is a ton of immigration from Africa and the Caribbean. Some illegal, some non-illegal.



Revisionist History indeed! More like "white guilt revisionist history!" Some people are so concerned with being politically correct or not being perceived as "racist" that they actually convince themselves of falsehoods and platitudes.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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#2, There are not more Asians entering the country here illegally than Hispanics. But that isn't the point. ASIANS tend to assimilate and try to blend in a bit better. They also don't demand that they have a "right" to be here because 400 years ago some white men from Europe claimed the US Southwest for the King of European Country that Mexico didn't have the population or power to keep under their own control post-independence from Spain.
So you don't mind illegal Asians, you just mind the Hispanic ones?

To be honest, the only ones claiming "I have a right to be here, my ancestors blahblahblah" are those aligned with brown separatist organizations such as the Brown Berets, Mexican Movement and the like.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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So you don't mind illegal Asians, you just mind the Hispanic ones?

To be honest, the only ones claiming "I have a right to be here, my ancestors blahblahblah" are those aligned with brown separatist organizations such as the Brown Berets, Mexican Movement and the like.

No, I have a problem with all illegal immigrants, but ARIZONA doesn't exactly have a problem with ASIAN or CANADIAN illegals, now does it?

I actually have more culturally in common with "Hispanics" than Asians being that I am of Iberian descent.

The TRUTH is, however, that Americans are turned off by the "I deserve it, por la raza todo" mentality that permeates debates from Hispanic illegal sympathizers. Prattle on about how "not everyone is like that" but let's face it ... "Hispanics" have ALLOWED themselves to be popularly represented by the joker gangs like Mecha and LaRaza, etc.

Asian immigrants tend to not "demand" as much, or make themselves as visible for political muscle flexing. They also tend to not abuse the system as much as the anchor baby crowd from SOB.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:19 PM
 
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No, I have a problem with all illegal immigrants, but ARIZONA doesn't exactly have a problem with ASIAN or CANADIAN illegals, now does it?I actually have more culturally in common with "Hispanics" than Asians being that I am of Iberian descent.

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The TRUTH is, however, that Americans are turned off by the "I deserve it, por la raza todo" mentality that permeates debates from Hispanic illegal sympathizers. Prattle on about how "not everyone is like that" but let's face it ... "Hispanics" have ALLOWED themselves to be popularly represented by the joker gangs like Mecha and LaRaza, etc.
That is actually the MeCHA mentality. Don't confuse their mentality and generalize it for the entire American of Mexican descent population in the United States. Unfortunately there is a great divide between organizations and racial/ethnic groups. There are organizations that cater to ethnic groups and purport a sense of "divide and conquer" mentality, where they divide themselves from others and create self-imposed barriers. This is a problem that has plagued the U.S since the civil rights movement. All the organizations you just mentioned are descendants of the civil rights movement organizations.

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Asian immigrants tend to not "demand" as much, or make themselves as visible for political muscle flexing. They also tend to not abuse the system as much as the anchor baby crowd from SOB.
You're right, they never demanded much. This was actually a cause of concern during the civil rights movement as they just weren't being represented enough. To be fair though, they make up a small percentage of the U.S population, around 5%. A large percentage of the Asian immigrant populace have a semblance of an education, as they probably would not have been allowed to come to the U.S in the first place. Because of their education, they have money. So of course they're not going to abuse the system.

But why do we let people abuse the system?

I live in California which is
essentially a welfare state. We give out the highest monetary handouts out of any other state in the U.S. There needs to be a lot more enforcement on the government's end, the amount of money being flushed out of the system and into the hands of abusers is quite sickening.
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Old 05-02-2010, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Which has no relevance to today. We are a sovereign nation that has the right to control our borders. Prior to the Euros: knowing human nature; I can SAFELY say that different Indian groups were just as vicious (or more so) to potential invaders as well---------the difference being that the Euros had certain diseases (through no fault of their own) and better weapons to win.
The Indian tribes of the West were warriors, but with a few exceptions such as the Nez Perce they didn't kill their enemies in battle, but rode close enough to them to touch them, kind of like flag football. There were simply not enough individuals in the tribes to waste on such frivolity as out-and-out war.

The tribes along the rivers in the East were quite different. They were no longer hunters and gatherers so much as settled agrarians by @ 1500 AD. The pottery they left behind demonstrates this fairly conclusively. People do not develop a ceramic tradition when they are nomadic.

According to the accounts of the explorers who first pressed inland with DeSoto, and later the diary of John Lawson who was sent to the New World to explore for herbs and other plants that may have pharmaceutical uses, the tribes encountered were peaceful and more curious about seeing white faces than angry that they were here. The women were anxious to sleep with the white men to learn more about them, and the explorers were fed, feted, and well met.

Do a bit more research before you say anything else.
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Simpler than you think, in my opinion. The Republicans wanted cheap labor for business.
From several sources, I learned that illegals were often paid MORE than what "legal" workers were paid. Granted, the overhead expense for "legals" made the gross cost higher. But the fact remains - the illegals were paid MORE net pay.

If labor costs rise, those costs must be transferred to the customer - or the business goes bust.

I think that employers who hire "illegals" are voting against the Socialist system and its stifling expense.

One politically incorrect solution to illegal immigration : repeal all Socialism (Welfare, Social Security, etc). Without the administrative and tax burden, the benefit for hiring "illegals" would vanish. And eliminating all taxes on labor and industry would lure back expatriate industries in a New York minute. And without access to taxpayer funded "Freebies", there's no advantage to sneak in.

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The reason we have immigration laws on the books is to pick and choose the numbers we let in this country, to benefit this country and not cause a burden on the American taxpayer by letting in a massive number of poor people.
That's a common practice in all other nations. Most are far more draconian than the USA.
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