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Old 05-03-2010, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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(1) The people of Arizona did not vote for this bill in some general election. It was passed by our politicians and signed into law by our governor. Due to the number of lawsuits, the bill will likely be stalled and voted on in the 2012 general election. We will see if it passes then

(2) Arizona is a transient state. Most people move here from another state and never register and vote in local politics. When you live in Arizona, you assume everyone you meet is not from Arizona. The first question you ask people is where are you from and if someone is from Arizona, they are called a "native" as it's seemingly rare. It's almost a joke. I'll meet people and they will say they are from Chicago even though they've lived here for over 20 years. This is why there is a disconnect between our politicians and the people of Arizona. The people who do vote are often the elderly and retirees who vote Republican to keep their taxes down. They don't care about schools losing funding etc because they are retired and want to keep their property taxes and other taxes as low as possible. That results in conservative politicians being elected. The actual populace of Arizona is very liberal socially speaking because they hail from California and the upper Midwest like Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

(3) Many of Arizona's key politicians and leaders do not support this bill. They include
1. State Attorney General - Terry Goddard (he is running for governor and is the primary contender to oppose Jan Brewer)
2. Phoenix Mayor - Phil Gordon
3. Phoenix Police Chief - Jack Harris
4. Maricopa District Attorney - Rick Romley
5. Pima County Sheriff
6. Various Police officers all over the state including Tuscon Police officer Martin Escobar who filed a lawsuit
7. Mayors of many cities in Arizona are joining to file a lawsuit to which Phoenix mayor Phil Gordon will join them

(4) When people say the majority of Arizona approves of this bill, they are quoting a Rasmussen Poll, which is a conservative polling group. What people ignore is that same poll showed the majority of those polled had serious (the highest category) concerns about violation of civil rights and civil liberties.

Conclusion: I agree this law violates civil liberties and is an embarrassment to the state. However, don't assume everyone or even most people in Arizona agree with it because of a Rasmussen Poll which is a conservative polling group.

What I would ask from people like you is to join Arizona's own efforts to repeal this law. Don't demonize the entire state. Support the Arizonans who are trying to get rid of it. Most likely this law will be repealed as Arizona begins to lose conventions, and major events and the economic cost will hurt us.
The politicians represent the people. And local politics are different than national and state level. But this was a good post.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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As a 38-year-old male, I'd appreciate you not calling me son. In addition, I have lived in Chicago, yet I refrain from speaking about the thoughts/concerns about that area since they do not pertain to me.
No, you definitely have.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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No, you definitely have.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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The politicians represent the people. And local politics are different than national and state level. But this was a good post.
The governor who signed the bill into law was not voted to the governorship by the people. Arizonans voted for Democratic nominee Janet Napolitano. Brewer inherited the position when Napolitano left to become Homeland Security Secretary. If Napolitano was governor, this law would never been signed and never been an issue.

No, the politicians don't represent the people of Arizona. By local politics, I was referring to the politics related to the state of Arizona which includes state and national politicians. We are not like Illinois. We are a transient state with a huge population of retirees. People move here from California but still think of themselves as Californians. They don't register to vote and don't vote for state and U.S. senators. The one group in Arizona that is active in voting are the elderly or retirees. They vote to keep their taxes down. This is why Arizona is notorious for budget cuts for basics like school funding etc because the retirement community is not impacted by those things and simply want to keep their taxes as low as possible. The politicians who serve their cause are conservative Republicans. The side effect is some of these whack jobs vote legislation like this.

Yes, Arizonans are still responsible for this law occurring. We are to blame for our apathy in voting. However, your implication that all Arizonans empathize with this law is bogus.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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The governor who signed the bill into law was not voted to the governorship by the people. Arizonans voted for Democratic nominee Janet Napolitano. Brewer inherited the position when Napolitano left to become Homeland Security Secretary. If Napolitano was governor, this law would never been signed and never been an issue.

No, the politicians don't represent the people of Arizona. By local politics, I was referring to the politics related to the state of Arizona which includes state and national politicians. We are not like Illinois. We are a transient state with a huge population of retirees. People move here from California but still think of themselves as Californians. They don't register to vote and don't vote for state and U.S. senators. The one group in Arizona that is active in voting are the elderly or retirees. They vote to keep their taxes down. This is why Arizona is notorious for budget cuts for basics like school funding etc because the retirement community is not impacted by those things and simply want to keep their taxes as low as possible. The politicians who serve their cause are conservative Republicans. The side effect is some of these whack jobs vote legislation like this.

Yes, Arizonans are still responsible for this law occurring. We are to blame for our apathy in voting. However, your implication that all Arizonans empathize with this law is bogus.
Why are you posting this twice? You've already posted it in other threads.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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Short memory span?:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/13993168-post28.html
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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Oh, this is rich...Again, this reverts back to you and your uninformed comments about Arizona.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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Oh, this is rich...Again, this reverts back to you and your uninformed comments about Arizona.
Oh, I didn't know there was a clause hidden in your statement. Wait, there wasn't, it was just a lie!
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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Oh, I didn't know there was a clause hidden in your statement. Wait, there wasn't, it was just a lie!
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