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Whoops! This guy seems to have forgotten about his ancestors killing Aztecs when migrating to Mexico.
I guess he also forgot that the U.S. paid $15 million for those territories and many debts forgiven that Mexico owed. What's he crying about anyway? He wasn't alive back then and all those people from both countries are dead now.
While I supported the law prior to the amendments, I do believe the revisions have clarified the legitimate concerns of some opponents. IMO, the fact that they are now willing to accept the bill, proves their concerns were in fact heartfelt, and ulterior motives did not come into play. For others, any measure intended to reduce illegal immigration is inhumane or racist, and nothing will change their minds.
It isn’t unusual to see signs similar to the second photo posted by summers73. However, the first sign is so incredibly arrogant, that it’s hard to believe anyone could be so brazen to carry such a ridiculous list of BS demands. To allay doubts, it would be nice if the first photo could be authenticated. But then, I have seen equally obnoxious signs in person.
I can't remember my passport ever being stamped when driving across the border to or from Canada. I do remember it being stamped when I flew in.
There are a number of factors that ICE will look at when determining if someone is merely a visitor, or is someone seeking to illegally LIVE in the US, regardless of passport status.
If the guy who just committed a crime ("lawful contact"), and that guy is taken to the station, doesn't know any English, and says he lives at 123 Main Street, Phoenix, Arizona, and works at Jorge's construction services, that might prompt ICE to dig further, look into the guy's records, and see if he has a validly issued visa, work papers, whatever. Is he just a visitor? Then his @ss needs to be deported for committing a crime while in the US. Is he a trying to live here? Well, if he doesn't have papers, he's breaking the law, and needs to stop jumping in line in front of the countless others who want to be here.
If 10 old Canadians are in an RV at a park, commit a crime ("Lawful contact") and they say, "no, we're just visiting from Saskatchewan on a great American road trip. We don't have jobs, don't want jobs, and just want to vacation," then they need to be sent home for breaking a law, but not for immigration violation.
While I supported the law prior to the amendments, I do believe the revisions have clarified the legitimate concerns of some opponents. IMO, the fact that they are now willing to accept the bill, proves their concerns were in fact heartfelt, and ulterior motives did not come into play. For others, any measure intended to reduce illegal immigration is inhumane or racist, and nothing will change their minds.
It isn’t unusual to see signs similar to the second photo posted by summers73. However, the first sign is so incredibly arrogant, that it’s hard to believe anyone could be so brazen to carry such a ridiculous list of BS demands. To allay doubts, it would be nice if the first photo could be authenticated. But then, I have seen equally obnoxious signs in person.
One of the best responses I've read.
I had a lot of people saying "if you aren't for the bill, you're for illegal immigration" and several blanket statements like "Liberals want illegal immigration" etc.
As I said before, my concern wasn't the meaning behind the bill, it was the wording. It gave police way to much power, and the terms needed to be defined to represent a more constitutional measure. AZ did that, and true to my word, I have ceased my opposition to the measure.
There still are some constitutional arguments to be made, but, thats above my head at this point.
Only a willfull dummy would not know what "lawful contact" meant.
Well it is nice to know that I am joined by other willful dummies.
Republican House majority's Homeland Security research analyst, Rene Guillen:
[L]awful contact is definitely different than reasonable suspicion in terms of the initiation of the contact. So lawful contact is essentially any interaction a police officer may have with an individual through the normal legal, lawful course of the performance of their duties. So it wouldn't just be those suspected of crimes. It could be victims, witnesses or just people who are lawfully interacting with the police officer where through the course of that contact they are able to build reasonable suspicion and therefore inquire.
Marc Miller U of A law professor: "Lawful contact" could "mean any normal interaction a cop has with ordinary people... If a Hispanic asks a patrolman for directions, she could expose herself to immigration questions. If an officer walks up to someone and starts a conversation without detaining him -- something police are allowed to do -- he may have established 'lawful contact.' "
Tuscon police chief Roberto Villasenor: "I think where a lot of people are getting confused is those instances where we stop someone for a criminal violation, we have some reason for that stop and that contact, but I don't believe that's what we're talking about in regard to this law."This law is talking about in the course of any legal contact, as well as when we talk to a witness of a crime or when we talk to a victim of a crime. Those are legal contacts of law enforcement. Now we look at it in the context of those legal contacts.
...If in the course of them, we develop reasonable suspicion that the individual we're talking with is illegally in the country, we are mandated to take enforcement action. That's where the questions are coming up is how do you develop that reasonable suspicion that they're in the country illegally if they're there talking to you just about being a victim of a crime."
If one were to use common sense one would know they will not arrest 460,000 in a day, some arrested, some deported, some more arrested, more deported...
And besides, I hear tent cities are quite affordable for the state.
The law requires enforcement. If a municipality fails to enforce it they can be sued by organizations like F.A.I.R. (the people who wrote the law). so you can spend millions feeding and housing thousands of illegals or give it to Lawyers in Kansas. The Fascists who passed this bill were so busy looking for scapegoats they never read the bill
There are a number of factors that ICE will look at when determining if someone is merely a visitor, or is someone seeking to illegally LIVE in the US, regardless of passport status.
If the guy who just committed a crime ("lawful contact"), and that guy is taken to the station, doesn't know any English, and says he lives at 123 Main Street, Phoenix, Arizona, and works at Jorge's construction services, that might prompt ICE to dig further, look into the guy's records, and see if he has a validly issued visa, work papers, whatever. Is he just a visitor? Then his @ss needs to be deported for committing a crime while in the US. Is he a trying to live here? Well, if he doesn't have papers, he's breaking the law, and needs to stop jumping in line in front of the countless others who want to be here.
If 10 old Canadians are in an RV at a park, commit a crime ("Lawful contact") and they say, "no, we're just visiting from Saskatchewan on a great American road trip. We don't have jobs, don't want jobs, and just want to vacation," then they need to be sent home for breaking a law, but not for immigration violation.
A red light is a crime, a stop sign is a crime, a barking dog is a crime etc.
I hope they enjoy Baloney Sandwiches too.
A red light is a crime, a stop sign is a crime, a barking dog is a crime etc.
I hope they enjoy Baloney Sandwiches too.
So what are your ideas on the situation? Open borders? CIR? More comments about sandwiches and being more scared of the fascists in AZ than the socialists in DC?
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