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Old 05-04-2010, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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No, the law only applies to immigrants. It does not require American citizens to carry ID. It should be EQUAL under the law. Require EVERYBODY to have ID at all times. That is what most of the world does. And the police can demand to see it anytime they wish. In France they regularly do "ID checks" and you can be hauled to the pokey for 4 hours if you fail to show it. I always carry mine as does my family. I have no problem with it. But it is not right to require my wife to carry it and not me.
How do you tell who is an immigrant, and no under the new law you are charged with a criminal offense. Since you are not a citizen there will be no bail and most won't have the $2,500 for the fine. Next they will need a hearing and a lawyer.

Under the OLD LAW they would just be turned over to the Feds for Deportation.
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:17 PM
 
Location: mancos
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How do you tell who is an immigrant, and no under the new law you are charged with a criminal offense. Since you are not a citizen there will be no bail and most won't have the $2,500 for the fine. Next they will need a hearing and a lawyer.

Under the OLD LAW they would just be turned over to the Feds for Deportation.
commiting a crime should have consequences, bout time
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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And who would be "suspected" of being an illegal immigrant? A Mexican of course!
Says you, and the dramatic liberal media. Who is going to be "suspected"? Anyone who can not produce a vaild ID, regardless of race. I carry my license everywhere. If you don't drive, get a state ID card. If you are here legally, you have nothing to fear but an inconvenience. If you are here illegally, I suggest you get the hell out of AZ cause I hear they actually enforce the law there.
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Old 05-04-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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I carry my license with me everywhere I go. It truly is not a hardship. Since I have been vetted by DMV (when I first applied I had to produce my birth certificate), I am good to go. I also have been finger-printed while working for banking firms as part of an SEC background check. My right to work has already been vetted by my employer as part of their background check (including the SS check). Again, not difficult at all.

I am a child of immigrants. Both of my parents seperately (they had not yet met) went through STRINGENT checks on health, finance, family sponsorship, recommendations. It was hard, but they wanted to come here. They were willing to do the work. To do it legally. This was back in 1948 and 1949.

While my Mom became a US citizen in the 1950's, my Dad never did so. I asked this 86 year old man where his green card was this past weekend. It was in a lockbox. I told him that going forward, I wanted him to carry it with him in his wallet along with his license. No problems. Doesn't really add stress or extra weight.

What I am (in a long-winded way!) saying is that carrying ID or being asked to present ID is not really this terrible hardship. We already all do it anyway as part of our normal like (license, work ID, etc.). You have NOTHING to worry about - as long as you are here legally. There really should not be this much discord on this subject. Do you think I cry RACIST to a cop who has pulled me over and requested my license? Nope. I was more than likely speeding again!
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Old 05-04-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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The actual law does not ask for your papers. They ask for a valid Arizona Drivers license.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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commiting a crime should have consequences, bout time

Then we should JAIL the people who employ them.
If you want to jail 460,000 people we'll need a lot of Baloney sandwiiches
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Says you, and the dramatic liberal media. Who is going to be "suspected"? Anyone who can not produce a vaild ID, regardless of race. I carry my license everywhere. If you don't drive, get a state ID card. If you are here legally, you have nothing to fear but an inconvenience. If you are here illegally, I suggest you get the hell out of AZ cause I hear they actually enforce the law there.
No they do a lot of posing for the Camera. Actually the Sherrif of Pima County who denounced this new law, deported more people than Sherriff Joe who has three times the population
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Then we should JAIL the people who employ them.
If you want to jail 460,000 people we'll need a lot of Baloney sandwiiches
We can simply divert the free lunch program most children of Illegal Aliens use. They won't be needing those meals when their Parents are shipped out taking the kids with them.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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You are wrong. The law says a crime must have been committed or a suspected crime was committed in order for the officer to ask for ID. In that case no matter the race, they are going to identify you.
Whether they identify you or not, it's you they have in custody--so why does it matter?
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Then we should JAIL the people who employ them.
If you want to jail 460,000 people we'll need a lot of Baloney sandwiiches
Would be a heck of a lot cheaper. and also an apple each per day beats using food stamps for steak
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