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Old 05-04-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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Question, how can someone be "displaced" when they left their Country? Wouldn't they be transient by definition? Isn't the original "displacing" coming by choice when they leave their family the first time?
without a doubt. Great point!
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Old 05-04-2010, 02:56 PM
 
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1. By birth for profit you mean "border jumping" just so the child is born in the US, right?

2. In regards to the subsidized housing, the article notes:
"It doesn't include housing funded by state and local governments, where eligibility requirements vary. Massachusetts, where Obama's aunt occupied one of about 50,000 state-funded units, doesn't ask immigration status under a 1977 federal consent decree in a class-action lawsuit that prohibits the state from denying the benefit to illegal immigrants.

Other illegal immigrants may live in public housing without notifying authorities."

and

"While there are no hard numbers on illegal immigrants in public housing, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that 29,570 people — 0.4% of all those in federally funded housing — are "ineligible noncitizens." Some may be on temporary visas, such as highly educated workers or college students, but many are believed to be illegal immigrants."

What states explicitly prohibit illegals from living in public housing? What local governments require citizenship for public housing?

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Yes, I realize an education is generally not valued among the peasant population. However, if they are truly coming here to seek a better life, they must realize if they remain ignorant and continue to have children they cannot afford, they will not succeed in this country.

One of the most egregious illegal alien practices is the birth-for-profit scam. Many deliberately give birth on U.S. soil to avail themselves of benefits reserved for citizens. Of course others accomplish this through fraud and ID theft.

Illegal aliens do live in subsidized housing. Some become eligible because they have U.S.-born children, but not all. Case in point, Obama’s illegal alien aunt.





The entire family is eligible if they have one U.S.-born child. This could also include extended family.



Many illegal immigrants live in public housing - USATODAY.com
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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1. By birth for profit you mean "border jumping" just so the child is born in the US, right?
Absolutely!

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2. In regards to the subsidized housing, the article notes:
"It doesn't include housing funded by state and local governments, where eligibility requirements vary. Massachusetts, where Obama's aunt occupied one of about 50,000 state-funded units, doesn't ask immigration status under a 1977 federal consent decree in a class-action lawsuit that prohibits the state from denying the benefit to illegal immigrants.

Other illegal immigrants may live in public housing without notifying authorities."

and

"While there are no hard numbers on illegal immigrants in public housing, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that 29,570 people — 0.4% of all those in federally funded housing — are "ineligible noncitizens." Some may be on temporary visas, such as highly educated workers or college students, but many are believed to be illegal immigrants."

What states explicitly prohibit illegals from living in public housing? What local governments require citizenship for public housing?
This is Federal.

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WHO IS ELIGIBLE?

Public housing is limited to low-income families and individuals. An HA determines your eligibility based on: 1) annual gross income; 2) whether you qualify as elderly, a person with a disability, or as a family; and 3) U.S. citizenship or eligible immigration status. If you are eligible, the HA will check your references to make sure you and your family will be good tenants. HAs will deny admission to any applicant whose habits and practices may be expected to have a detrimental effect on other tenants or on the project's environment.
Gotta run. Maybe you can find info to post for the states. It should be interesting.

HUD's Public Housing Program/U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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the kicker to that story is that BOTH PARENTS ARE UNEMPLOYED.

who says that illegal immigrants don't come here and TAKE from our country and our citizens?

arizona will be a great state to live in when they get rid of these spongers. i feel sorry for the citizens of the state which winds up with them.



let mexico figure out how to support their own citizens.
She has popped out 10 babies so she is sponging for 10 kids. That's 10 free lunches, 10 free opportunities for public school, welfare for 10, food stamps for 10. The article states that the parents are unemployed. That means she is supporting the family with WELFARE.

Yes, Arizona will be a better place without the illegals. Too bad they will go and defy the laws of another state. Send them back to Mexico where they belong.
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Lake Oswego, Manhattan, Aspen
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I don't suppose the article had a little side chart, with a breakdown of where the money came from to deliver those ten children. Or what clinics/hospitals/emergency rooms they went to, when they needed medical care...and who paid for that. Nor do I imagine there were numbers reflecting welfare/foodstamps...whatever...

And I'd like to see figures on how many times the police went to their house, and what that cost. Then, maybe an estimate of what it cost to educate those TEN CHILDREN.

Another little side chart detailing what the couple's economic contribution was, maybe? You know...what they paid in taxes...even estimates of sales tax. And maybe the chart showed how the whopping property taxes they paid on what surely would have to have been a six bedroom mansion offset the cost to the taxpayers of educating the TEN CHILDREN? They must both be doctors, if they can afford TEN KIDS. So they must have paid big taxes...RIGHT? Half the professionals I know are too old to have kids, by the time they can afford to have them. So what's their secret? They must EARN a whole hell of a lot of money, to be able to afford TEN KIDS. Surely they didn't just whelp them out with the expectation that "the Village" (America's Taxpayers) would raise them. Surely not...
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:56 PM
 
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Apparently many blue collar immigrants, legal or not, don't become good with the native language. That is what their children do.



Yeah, he's a slumlord - But slumlords have cheap housing, and people are willing to put up with slummish conditions to have a cheap place to live.



But the question is whether it is Arizona's place to take the initiative. If the federal government doesn't do a good job with, say, its navy, does this mean Arizona should form its own navy and try to keep it to federal law?

It doesn't matter how good or bad the feds are; the state can't try to do it better, because then it usurps the authority of the federal government. The state has to accept its role.
Yet a motivated half-way intelligent adult can learn to communicate in another language, in less than 6 months.

It's a total myth that only children can learn a language.
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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Basically they shouldn't have dispalced themself from their native country by coming illegally.That is the bad thing about amnesty talk i encourages them to come with false hopes.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Yet a motivated half-way intelligent adult can learn to communicate in another language, in less than 6 months.

It's a total myth that only children can learn a language.
Very true. My late dad learned passable German within a year or two after fleeing Hungary in 1948 (yes, he was a refugee) then learned English after arriving here in 1951 well enough to secure his US citizenship by 1956 (being drafted into the Army cut the 5 years to qualify to three).
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Old 05-05-2010, 01:14 PM
 
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Yes, there is a federal program. But there are also state programs too.

The quote referenced: "It doesn't include housing funded by state and local governments, where eligibility requirements vary. Massachusetts, where Obama's aunt occupied one of about 50,000 state-funded units, doesn't ask immigration status under a 1977 federal consent decree in a class-action lawsuit that prohibits the state from denying the benefit to illegal immigrants."

Some states explicitly allow illegals into their programs.

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Absolutely!
This is Federal.
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Old 05-05-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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I didn't say that only children can learn a language.

I said that it is more difficult for an adult to learn a language, and adults must learn differently than children do. Children pick up their language from their environment. Adults must study.

Combine that with jobs that take long hours and the academic defeatism in many of the campesino communities, and that explains how many campesinos have poor English even while staying in the U.S. for a long time.

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Yet a motivated half-way intelligent adult can learn to communicate in another language, in less than 6 months.

It's a total myth that only children can learn a language.
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