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Old 05-03-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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CBS news tonight interviewed a woman in Phoenix, who is an admitted "Undocumented Alien". This person had been living in Phoenix for 15 years, and had 10 children who are United States Citizens, but she needed an interpreter to talk to the reporter! She stated she did not consider herself or her husband to be "criminals" because "criminals" kill people. She and her husband were now unemployed, so they loaded up their vehicle and headed for Colorado.

Then the news team interviewed a "slumlord" (my term, for lack of a better one) who was complaining about the fact that 7 of his rentals were empty because the illegals who were renting from him packed up and went to California. He is a natural born U.S. citizen, and the new law was hurting HIM! It just isn't fair!
Riiiiigghhtttt!

I have read through the law, and it repeatedly refers to EXISTING Federal laws, and mostly just gives Arizona Law Enforcement Officers the duty to enforce FEDERAL law!
Basicly, it seems to be saying the Feds have not enforced their own laws, so we will do it for them.
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:05 PM
 
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Apparently many blue collar immigrants, legal or not, don't become good with the native language. That is what their children do.

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CBS news tonight interviewed a woman in Phoenix, who is an admitted "Undocumented Alien". This person had been living in Phoenix for 15 years, and had 10 children who are United States Citizens, but she needed an interpreter to talk to the reporter! She stated she did not consider herself or her husband to be "criminals" because "criminals" kill people. She and her husband were now unemployed, so they loaded up their vehicle and headed for Colorado.
Yeah, he's a slumlord - But slumlords have cheap housing, and people are willing to put up with slummish conditions to have a cheap place to live.

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Then the news team interviewed a "slumlord" (my term, for lack of a better one) who was complaining about the fact that 7 of his rentals were empty because the illegals who were renting from him packed up and went to California. He is a natural born U.S. citizen, and the new law was hurting HIM! It just isn't fair!
Riiiiigghhtttt!
But the question is whether it is Arizona's place to take the initiative. If the federal government doesn't do a good job with, say, its navy, does this mean Arizona should form its own navy and try to keep it to federal law?

It doesn't matter how good or bad the feds are; the state can't try to do it better, because then it usurps the authority of the federal government. The state has to accept its role.

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I have read through the law, and it repeatedly refers to EXISTING Federal laws, and mostly just gives Arizona Law Enforcement Officers the duty to enforce FEDERAL law!
Basicly, it seems to be saying the Feds have not enforced their own laws, so we will do it for them.
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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wow - 2 undocumented (make that ILLEGAL) aliens and their TEN USC offspring - yeah my heart bleeds for their being "displaced". Too bad they don't just displace themselves back to wherever they legally belong.

But of course they're not "criminals" - that would mean they'd done something wrong and against the laws of THIS country, wouldn't it?
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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A friend was born in Greece by two American parents. Rather than stick around in Greece without a legal right to be there, his parents did the responsible thing by taking their baby with his Greek papers back to the US where he was given (dual) citizenship.

Maybe they should've thought about taking their kids to the country the parents are citizens of so they all can be legal there. I don't think that place is Colorado.
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yeah. Amazing how my parents bothered to become citizens before popping out children. Oh, and making sure they had legitimate employment...and enough money for children! And health care! Wowie wow wow!
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:22 AM
 
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the kicker to that story is that BOTH PARENTS ARE UNEMPLOYED.

who says that illegal immigrants don't come here and TAKE from our country and our citizens?

arizona will be a great state to live in when they get rid of these spongers. i feel sorry for the citizens of the state which winds up with them.



let mexico figure out how to support their own citizens.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Unemployed parents of ten? No, illegal aliens certainly aren't expensive to tax payer funded social services.
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:12 AM
 
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Exactly unemployed parents of 10 Anchor Babies,they ARE the problem.Could you imagine what this idiot baby factory has cost the American tax payers?People this stupid that Illegally come here and crank out enough kids to have their own zip code should be deported ASAP.Their Anchor Babies can decide if they want to go or not.Those that feel sorry for morons like this should take them in and support them then we'll see how long they're sympathetic to this stupidity.

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Old 05-04-2010, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Apparently many blue collar immigrants, legal or not, don't become good with the native language. That is what their children do.
Címon, she has lived here for 15 years! I would think that anyone could learn at least a few words after 15 years. Clearly, she has no desire to learn English. Then again, why should she? After all, she is accommodated at every turn in Spanish. Perhaps had she concentrated on educating herself while here, rather than popping out babies almost yearly, she could have learned at least rudimentary English.

Speaking of children, this couple had 10 children in 15 years. Why would anyone have so many children if they are here solely to work and seek a better life? Most likely, this couple has survived in this country on the backs of U.S. taxpayers. This is simply another illustration of the obscene fleecing of this country.

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But the question is whether it is Arizona's place to take the initiative. If the federal government doesn't do a good job with, say, its navy, does this mean Arizona should form its own navy and try to keep it to federal law?

It doesn't matter how good or bad the feds are; the state can't try to do it better, because then it usurps the authority of the federal government. The state has to accept its role.
Not true. If that were the case, states could not have their respective minimum wage laws. They would simply be required to comply with the federal.

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The federal minimum wage for covered nonexempt employees is $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009. The federal minimum wage provisions are contained in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). Many states also have minimum wage laws. In cases where an employee is subject to both the state and federal minimum wage laws, the employee is entitled to the higher of the two minimum wages.
U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Wages - Minimum Wage (http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwage.htm - broken link)
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:38 AM
 
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Even for people who live there for a long time, if they work in blue collar industries often they simply don't have the time to learn a new language. Adults cannot learn by simply being exposed to English - they have to practice and study the language. They can use being surrounded by English as an advantage to study it, but first and foremost they have to work in their job.

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Perhaps had she concentrated on educating herself while here, rather than popping out babies almost yearly, she could have learned at least rudimentary English.
- How do you define rudimentary English? Is it enough to order food from a restaurant? Read Kindergarten-level books? How much?

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Why would anyone have so many children if they are here solely to work and seek a better life?
- It is third world style social security and probably also Catholic beliefs.

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Most likely, this couple has survived in this country on the backs of U.S. taxpayers.
- the federal welfare laws were changed in 1996 to make that not happen.

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Not true. If that were the case, states could not have their respective minimum wage laws. They would simply be required to comply with the federal.
- Minimum wage is probably one of those facets that may be decided by both the feds and the states. But there are aspects that absolutely only have to be within the realm of the federal government.

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Címon, she has lived here for 15 years! I would think that anyone could learn at least a few words after 15 years. Clearly, she has no desire to learn English. Then again, why should she? After all, she is accommodated at every turn in Spanish. Perhaps had she concentrated on educating herself while here, rather than popping out babies almost yearly, she could have learned at least rudimentary English.

Speaking of children, this couple had 10 children in 15 years. Why would anyone have so many children if they are here solely to work and seek a better life? Most likely, this couple has survived in this country on the backs of U.S. taxpayers. This is simply another illustration of the obscene fleecing of this country.



Not true. If that were the case, states could not have their respective minimum wage laws. They would simply be required to comply with the federal.


U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Wages - Minimum Wage (http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwage.htm - broken link)
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