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View Poll Results: Should there be mandatory jail time for employers who hire illegals
Yes, they are just as guilty as the illegals 49 89.09%
No way Jose 6 10.91%
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Employers are the sole reason illegal immigrants are here. If employers didn't hire illegals, they simply would not come. Problems would fix themselves.

Ants swarming a piece of food analogy. Take the food away, the ants will eventually go back to their ant hill.
For once I completely agree with Mr.biggleswurth.
The sole reason? No not the sole reason but 50% of the reason. The other 50% rests upon the shoulders of the illegals. It is they who have no respect for our laws and casually disregard laws that may inconvience them.
I don't give car thieves a free pass simply because there is a chop shop in town willing to buy stolen cars.
The illegals know that they are breaking our laws. Why else the sneak accross the border? Why pay coyotes large sums of money to smuggle them accross?
The employers and I mean all employers who knowingly hire illegals are scum bags. Some do it with full knowledge and others simply play the don't ask don't tell game.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I'm pretty sure that that would really cut down illegal immigration. LOL CEOs and other business people do NOT like the humility of white-collar crimes or the thought of prison. Haha! That would be awesome.
It would reduce it to the point that it would no longer be a major issue, although there'd still be the matter of illegals who come to work in illegal businesses like drugs and prostitution (which can be cured by legalizing both).

I am in favor of mandatory 5 year prison terms for employers of illegals, including CEOs, 100%. I don't like asset forfeiture, but if it remains on the books then it should be used against repeat offenders. If the jobs weren't there in the first place, they would not come (except for those doing illegal jobs as mentioned above, but even still with employers being punished the numbers would drop drastically)
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Pa
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It would reduce it to the point that it would no longer be a major issue, although there'd still be the matter of illegals who come to work in illegal businesses like drugs and prostitution (which can be cured by legalizing both).

I am in favor of mandatory 5 year prison terms for employers of illegals, including CEOs, 100%. I don't like asset forfeiture, but if it remains on the books then it should be used against repeat offenders. If the jobs weren't there in the first place, they would not come (except for those doing illegal jobs as mentioned above, but even still with employers being punished the numbers would drop drastically)
Does this include Joe cheap skate who is too cheap to hire a licensed contractor? You know the scumbags who troll through Homedepot parking lots looking for day labor? They simply opt not to ask about status nor do they care. They only care about cheap labor.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:24 PM
 
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Does this include Joe cheap skate who is too cheap to hire a licensed contractor? You know the scumbags who troll through Homedepot parking lots looking for day labor? They simply opt not to ask about status nor do they care. They only care about cheap labor.
If it's more than one illegal, he'd deserve jail IMO.

As everyone on this board knows, I am against SB 1070. However, a plan to greatly reduce illegal immigration by going after the employers who generate it by hiring illegals is something I'd support, rather than a measure which primarily serves as a measure to increase the power of the state and has great potential to intrude on the civil liberties of US citizens and legal immigrants. I don't blame the individual illegal, I blame those who make it possible for him or her to come.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:33 PM
 
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Why you gettin in these peoples businuss? They ant mesin with you...They just doin what americans wont do...It has to be done...I hire who I want to hire

Then hire them the correct way and let them pay taxes like everyone else. Also, let them go in the job and apply like everyone else instead of standing on the corner. If you want to be treated like everyone else; behave like everyone else.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:43 PM
 
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i have a slightly different take on the issue.

as a taxpayer, i am not sure that i want to subsidize their jail time. a better penalty would be the complete forfeiture of their business and let them figure out how they want to support themselves after that.

as for illegal immigrants, they need to be deported back to their country of origin, because i don't want to support them in jail either.

that way we can free up jobs and jail cells.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes!!! Along with that, seizure of all business & personal assets. Just like they seize criminal profits for criminal and organized crime.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:17 AM
 
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If it's more than one illegal, he'd deserve jail IMO.

As everyone on this board knows, I am against SB 1070. However, a plan to greatly reduce illegal immigration by going after the employers who generate it by hiring illegals is something I'd support, rather than a measure which primarily serves as a measure to increase the power of the state and has great potential to intrude on the civil liberties of US citizens and legal immigrants. I don't blame the individual illegal, I blame those who make it possible for him or her to come.
I see, so you think the bank robber should be blamed for robbing the bank but the guy driving the getaway care should be blameless?

We have tried to get our government to implement e-verify across the board so as to stop the employers from hiring illegal aliens but all we get is nothing from them just like we get nothing from them to secure our borders. Yet the pro-illegals don't want e-verify and they also scream when raids occur which is also another method to go after the employers. Every attempt we have made to rein in the employers is met with opposition from the pro-illegals because they know that the illegals will be caught up also. In short, they want the employers to pay but not the illegals.

Now you know why states such as Arizona has had to take matters into their own hands. The government isn't doing its job and the pro-illegals are backing them up.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Pa
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If it's more than one illegal, he'd deserve jail IMO.

As everyone on this board knows, I am against SB 1070. However, a plan to greatly reduce illegal immigration by going after the employers who generate it by hiring illegals is something I'd support, rather than a measure which primarily serves as a measure to increase the power of the state and has great potential to intrude on the civil liberties of US citizens and legal immigrants. I don't blame the individual illegal, I blame those who make it possible for him or her to come.
Once again I ask. For everyone who hires knowingly or by intent hires an illegal?
Say the yuppie down the street who hires the illegal asian nanny?
Or another yuppie who hires the hispanic maid?
They didn't ask about legal status because they don't care to know. They pay them under the table anyway.
Shouldn't these people be held accountable? Ok they didn't know for sure. They can argue that they (and I snicker) never thought to ask. Should we have a reduced penalty for them?
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The readership have achieved the point where they will accept tyranny, just a bit more. That appears to be the real goal of the impotence of the Federal government with respect to the immigration issue.

In a free country, why would one need government permission to work?

Any employer should have the inalienable right to contract with whomever.

But the access to socialist entitlements and public charities by the illegals is the REAL issue, isn't it?

If there were no socialist taxes funding socialist benefits, unlawfully accessed by the illegals, would there be any problem?

If there were no socialist taxes, administrative overhead, red tape, and bureaucracy, would American wages be so depleted in buying power?

WAKE UP... the "District of Criminals" are about to snatch away another liberty with your consent.
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