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View Poll Results: Should we increase, decrease, or keep the number of legal immigrants entering the USA?
Increase the number of legal immigrants entering the US 4 11.43%
Decrease the number 23 65.71%
Keep it the same 8 22.86%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-06-2010, 08:24 PM
 
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I think we should reduce the number of legal immigrants, in order to make room for more illegals...then increase the number of illegals by a factor of five. If 20 million illegals are helping our economy, then I figure 100 million will make us all rich.

If that works, we can gradually increase the number of illegals until some future time when we have no more need for legal immigrants at all..and at that point, we can retire the whole INS. The entire process would save us millions, and we'd have our crops picked cheaply....
And not have to work any job we don't want to do!
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:27 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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What should we do, you mean what should have our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should have done about this issue, that they have not. Your here illegally, send them back home, one way bus ticket.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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Ask this question in another 20 years when the population of folks over 65 will double. America is NOT a crowded nation. There is plenty of space to go around and with the graying of America and the bare minimum of babies being born then yes the US govt will have to come up with a realistic solution. It is The next 20 years will see a total demographic shift. The US, Europe and Japan are all experiencing the same problem - the aging of the population plus no or barely replacement fertility rates.

Japan has voted against immigration so it's robotics for now but the Japanese government acknowledges than in another two centuries their nation may be a thing of the past. America will have no choice but to negotiate with the Latin American countries who have much higher fertility rates because in 20 years there will be a demand for younger persons who take care of all of us (I will be one of them) graying seniors.
That is just nonsense because we need less population not more. Once the baby boomers pass and unless we stop continuing with unfettered legal and especially illegal immigration our population will still double and triple in the not too distant future. Space isn't so much the issue. Natural resources and social infrastructures to support a huge population is what will be in jeapardy. It is about the carrying capacity of a nation. Why favor Latino countries anyway? Do they corner the market on fertility? They don't have a biological advantage it is an undesirable cultural trait that re-produces in large and senseless numbers. Too many immigrants from one ethnic group destroys the concept of the melting pot.

We need to get away from the notion that we need more young people to support an aging population. What happens when those younger ones become old? Do we keep importing more and more young people to keep supporting the new generation of elderly for eternity? No, what we need to do is stabilize our population growth to stay within the carrying capacity of this nation.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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Ask this question in another 20 years when the population of folks over 65 will double. America is NOT a crowded nation. There is plenty of space to go around and with the graying of America and the bare minimum of babies being born then yes the US govt will have to come up with a realistic solution. It is The next 20 years will see a total demographic shift. The US, Europe and Japan are all experiencing the same problem - the aging of the population plus no or barely replacement fertility rates.
Note the USA has the third largest population in the world------and, global population growing is slowing down rapidly.

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Japan has voted against immigration so it's robotics for now but the Japanese government acknowledges than in another two centuries their nation may be a thing of the past. America will have no choice but to negotiate with the Latin American countries who have much higher fertility rates because in 20 years there will be a demand for younger persons who take care of all of us (I will be one of them) graying seniors.
Why should we accept just Latin Americans? If anything; I would rather have English speaking Black Africans, Filipinos, etc. if we need more legal immigrants.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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That is just nonsense because we need less population not more. Once the baby boomers pass and unless we stop continuing with unfettered legal and especially illegal immigration our population will still double and triple in the not too distant future. Space isn't so much the issue. Natural resources and social infrastructures to support a huge population is what will be in jeapardy. It is about the carrying capacity of a nation. Why favor Latino countries anyway? Do they corner the market on fertility? They don't have a biological advantage it is an undesirable cultural trait that re-produces in large and senseless numbers. Too many immigrants from one ethnic group destroys the concept of the melting pot.

We need to get away from the notion that we need more young people to support an aging population. What happens when those younger ones become old? Do we keep importing more and more young people to keep supporting the new generation of elderly for eternity? No, what we need to do is stabilize our population growth to stay within the carrying capacity of this nation.
Americans use 25% of the world's resources or should I say over-use. Even Western European shoots more for efficiency than they do size. Nowhere on planet earth do you find 2 or 3 people living in McMansions. America's problem is good-oldfashioned short-sighted greed.

If anything America's population is dropping along with that of most of the so-called high tech First World Nations. I am a Baby Boomer. I and many other Boomers did not have children. The same demographic goes for Western Europe. No children. Far less than in previous generations. So what we have in these highly developed nations are very few young persons compared to a larger graying population. It's downright scary if you ask me.

Now in Latin America you have a higher birthrate (though not astronomical one). In actuality Latin Americans don't have large families it's just that they have larger families compared to North Americans. Latin America has one of the highest female sterilization rates in the world as domestic servants (most of the nonwhite female population) are required to have certificates of sterilization before being employed or many freely choose to undergo sterilization since birth control is unavailable and hell they are very poor. Who wants 15 kids when you only make $5.00 US dollars per day. In Latin American countries the population under 25 is very high but after age 40 the population drops sharply. It's hard to live to 95 when you have no access to medical care and you have lived a generally harsh life.

America will have to come up with a viable solution because people are under age 40 are lacking in a lot of areas. If America has to depend upon the vast majority of folks under 40 then we are definitely up sh-ts creek. America will have to come up with a solution and quick. Most of my coworkers are immigrants (legal). If not for them, we would not be able to find suitable employees since most of the folks under 40 are either too drugged out or else they don't want a job unless it pays them 7 figures a year. Without our legal immigrant staff government jobs in California would not be able to find suitable applicants.

In order to curtail illegal immigration Americans will have to get rid of that "greed" mentality and short-sightedness and learn how to look at the "big picture". As long as greed is allowed to run rampant and unchecked in this nation then so will illegal immigration. The illegals would stop coming if greedy employers would stop hiring them. Reduce that lust for cheap labor and we would solve the illegal problem overnight.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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Americans use 25% of the world's resources or should I say over-use. Even Western European shoots more for efficiency than they do size. Nowhere on planet earth do you find 2 or 3 people living in McMansions. America's problem is good-oldfashioned short-sighted greed.

If anything America's population is dropping along with that of most of the so-called high tech First World Nations. I am a Baby Boomer. I and many other Boomers did not have children. The same demographic goes for Western Europe. No children. Far less than in previous generations. So what we have in these highly developed nations are very few young persons compared to a larger graying population. It's downright scary if you ask me.

Now in Latin America you have a higher birthrate (though not astronomical one). In actuality Latin Americans don't have large families it's just that they have larger families compared to North Americans. Latin America has one of the highest female sterilization rates in the world as domestic servants (most of the nonwhite female population) are required to have certificates of sterilization before being employed or many freely choose to undergo sterilization since birth control is unavailable and hell they are very poor. Who wants 15 kids when you only make $5.00 US dollars per day. In Latin American countries the population under 25 is very high but after age 40 the population drops sharply. It's hard to live to 95 when you have no access to medical care and you have lived a generally harsh life.

America will have to come up with a viable solution because people are under age 40 are lacking in a lot of areas. If America has to depend upon the vast majority of folks under 40 then we are definitely up sh-ts creek. America will have to come up with a solution and quick. Most of my coworkers are immigrants (legal). If not for them, we would not be able to find suitable employees since most of the folks under 40 are either too drugged out or else they don't want a job unless it pays them 7 figures a year. Without our legal immigrant staff government jobs in California would not be able to find suitable applicants.

In order to curtail illegal immigration Americans will have to get rid of that "greed" mentality and short-sightedness and learn how to look at the "big picture". As long as greed is allowed to run rampant and unchecked in this nation then so will illegal immigration. The illegals would stop coming if greedy employers would stop hiring them. Reduce that lust for cheap labor and we would solve the illegal problem overnight.
Again, you are spouting nonsense and didn't address any of my points about population growth vs the carrying capacity of this nation or why we should favor Latinos in our immigration policies. If we use more resources than many countries then that is all the more reason to curb our population growth.

As for the greedy employers who hire illegal aliens yes they do need to be stopped. E-verify will go a long ways in stopping them and their illegal labor force. Too bad most pro-illegals are only interested in stopping the former but not the latter.
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Old 05-06-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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Ask this question in another 20 years when the population of folks over 65 will double. America is NOT a crowded nation. There is plenty of space to go around and with the graying of America and the bare minimum of babies being born then yes the US govt will have to come up with a realistic solution. It is The next 20 years will see a total demographic shift. The US, Europe and Japan are all experiencing the same problem - the aging of the population plus no or barely replacement fertility rates.

Japan has voted against immigration so it's robotics for now but the Japanese government acknowledges than in another two centuries their nation may be a thing of the past. America will have no choice but to negotiate with the Latin American countries who have much higher fertility rates because in 20 years there will be a demand for younger persons who take care of all of us (I will be one of them) graying seniors.
Indeed, we are crowded NOW. Don't you read about water shortages in our west? Every month more arable land is being chewed up for housing, nationwide.

Japan does so bring in guest workers in a lawful rigidly controlled system and their aging population IS being cared for by their OWN younger folk.

You cannot honestly believe that our aged people will have their rights and entitlements respected or be cared for by newcomers who have no familial or emotional ties (or even gratitude!) to the very people who contributed to our Nation's greatness and wealth. No way!

Just as soon as the newcomers have voting rights you'll get to see massive changes in our laws and the continued erosion of our Constitution; changes which will eliminate any and all obligations to our elders.
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Old 05-06-2010, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Mastic Beach
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Wheres the choice where we cut it off completely?
thats my choice
cut it off completely
no new immigrants.
not until every single American has a home a job and food.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:08 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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[quote=LaDominadora;14069262]Americans use 25% of the world's resources or should I say over-use. Even Western European shoots more for efficiency than they do size. Nowhere on planet earth do you find 2 or 3 people living in McMansions. America's problem is good-oldfashioned short-sighted greed.

If anything America's population is dropping along with that of most of the so-called high tech First World Nations. I am a Baby Boomer. I and many other Boomers did not have children. The same demographic goes for Western Europe. No children. Far less than in previous generations. So what we have in these highly developed nations are very few young persons compared to a larger graying population. It's downright scary if you ask me.

Now in Latin America you have a higher birthrate (though not astronomical one). In actuality Latin Americans don't have large families it's just that they have larger families compared to North Americans. Latin America has one of the highest female sterilization rates in the world as domestic servants (most of the nonwhite female population) are required to have certificates of sterilization before being employed or many freely choose to undergo sterilization since birth control is unavailable and hell they are very poor. Who wants 15 kids when you only make $5.00 US dollars per day. In Latin American countries the population under 25 is very high but after age 40 the population drops sharply. It's hard to live to 95 when you have no access to medical care and you have lived a generally harsh life.

America will have to come up with a viable solution because people are under age 40 are lacking in a lot of areas. If America has to depend upon the vast majority of folks under 40 then we are definitely up sh-ts creek. America will have to come up with a solution and quick. Most of my coworkers are immigrants (legal). If not for them, we would not be able to find suitable employees since most of the folks under 40 are either too drugged out or else they don't want a job unless it pays them 7 figures a year. Without our legal immigrant staff government jobs in California would not be able to find suitable applicants.

That is a VERY harsh assessment of the under 40 American age group. Americans will do those types of jobs if they are given a fair wage, certainly not 7 figures. Gov't and business just like to do everything cheaply.
If we do need younger workers in the future, we need to require sterilization in the way that the Latin American and muslim countries do so that they don't start dropping fetuses left and right to cement their citizenship/benefit status.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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Ask this question in another 20 years when the population of folks over 65 will double. America is NOT a crowded nation. There is plenty of space to go around and with the graying of America and the bare minimum of babies being born then yes the US govt will have to come up with a realistic solution. It is The next 20 years will see a total demographic shift. The US, Europe and Japan are all experiencing the same problem - the aging of the population plus no or barely replacement fertility rates.

Japan has voted against immigration so it's robotics for now but the Japanese government acknowledges than in another two centuries their nation may be a thing of the past. America will have no choice but to negotiate with the Latin American countries who have much higher fertility rates because in 20 years there will be a demand for younger persons who take care of all of us (I will be one of them) graying seniors.
A large number of immigrants being brought in are elderly immigrants. So if anything immigration will add to the graying of America - one reason illegals want their citizenship is just so they can bring in their elderly parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and so on.

And otherwise - who will care for all the elderly in your Latin American countries? You act like these countries don't need any working age people or that they don't have elderly of their own.
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