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Old 05-06-2010, 06:05 PM
 
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Hmmm...Dems are coming out of the fog? Why they haven't wanted tougher restrictive laws until now is beyond me. Who was the first person that suggested the lunacy of amnesty in the first place?


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Immigration continues to cleave both major parties, but after some positive reaction in public opinion polls towards the new very restrictive AZ law, Dem political operatives may be willing to support tougher enforcement measures than they have in the past, according to the results of the latest National Journal Political Insiders Poll.
When asked "what's best for your party this year with regard to immigration," a majority of Dem Insiders -- 51% of the 101 who responded to the poll -- said that they would "push for tougher enforcement plus a pathway to citizenship." Only 24% chose the option "push for comprehensive reform including a pathway to citizenship."
Another 22% simply felt the party should "stay away form the issue." As one Dem Insider said, "Voters know that Democrats are compassionate; what they want to hear is that we're tough on the border, fair to taxpayers, and practical regarding the 12 million illegal immigrants already here: Toughness first, path to citizenship second."
Insiders Torn On Smart Immigration Approach - Hotline On Call (http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/insiders_torn_o.php - broken link)
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:50 PM
 
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Until the Dems discard the notion of a path to citizenship and/or legalization altogether they are still not putting the interests of this country first regardless if they are for tougher enforcement.
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Old 05-06-2010, 07:06 PM
 
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Amen to that. They are still not in the reality of the situation and America.
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Old 05-06-2010, 09:43 PM
 
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Until the Dems discard the notion of a path to citizenship and/or legalization altogether they are still not putting the interests of this country first regardless if they are for tougher enforcement.
They're not putting the interests of any country first. Certainly not the US but also for illegal immigration to even benefit the sending country, the illegal must keep ties in that country, have relatives to send remittances. Once the "family reunification" happens which can only happen in the USA, there are no loved ones left back home, no more remittances.

There can be another positive for the sending country which is when the illegal has picked up some skills, some taste for the middle class life and then returns home. Maybe an illegal who learned to farm with a tractor or modern machine in the USA can return home with that skill and be a more efficient farmer.

Some want unlimited immigration from at least certain countries but there's no evidence this is benefitting those countries - nor ours of course.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:35 AM
 
Location: east of my daughter-north of my son
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The Dems are putting themselves first. By continuing to hang onto the pathway to citizenship route, they are insuring future supporters who will vote for them. My fear is they will not let go of that and try to get it through. Then God help us all.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:55 AM
 
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Until the Dems discard the notion of a path to citizenship and/or legalization altogether they are still not putting the interests of this country first regardless if they are for tougher enforcement.
Why? We already have "paths to citizenship" and there is no reason they can't be changed or tweaked. Just because something is in place doesn't make it a sacred cow that can't be touched. Ever.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Dem political operatives may be willing to support tougher enforcement measures than they have in the past
Actions speak louder than words, and even their words suggest otherwise.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:21 AM
 
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Why? We already have "paths to citizenship" and there is no reason they can't be changed or tweaked. Just because something is in place doesn't make it a sacred cow that can't be touched. Ever.
IMO, offering a path to citizenship, legalization or amnesty to illegal aliens is rewarding them for breaking the law. It makes a mockery out of our immigration laws and soveirgnty of this nation. It is also unfair to those immigrants waiting in their homelands to come the legal way.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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Especially with all of the "we have rights" protests. Well, these marches will only be used as some advantageous move rather than caving in as those who would like to believe it to be. Our politicians could care less about these displays and they have no weight whatsoever. Dems are looking at the voting stance as well as Repubs. There's only one problem, hispanics didn't put Democrats into the White House (I say hispanics as this is the most vocal group yet still a great minority) Most Americans did due to disillusionment. We'll change things again.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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The Dems are putting themselves first. By continuing to hang onto the pathway to citizenship route, they are insuring future supporters who will vote for them. My fear is they will not let go of that and try to get it through. Then God help us all.
May God help them if they go against the will of the people of this country and pass amnesty, there won't be anywhere for the traitors to hide if they push that through. The health care nightmare was nothing.
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