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Old 05-08-2010, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It may be better with some of the reforms they quickly added to it. The original was definitely worse.

It basically sets up a situation where cops can racially profile people. They had power to detain anyone who they suspected to be an illegal (i.e., who looked Mexican) even if they weren't committing a crime.

As of the 2008 census, there were a good 46 million legal Americans of hispanic heritage living in this country. This law basically sets the precedent that these Americans are second-class citizens who could be detained at will just because of their appearance. While I oppose illegal immigration, I am concerned about sacrificing the rights of a big segment of Americans in order to "get at the illegals".

This is a dangerous precedent to set. My family escaped from a country to come to America (legally) to get away from a police state where cops could detain you and interrogate in whatever form they wanted, for pretty much no real reason.

We could start by actually enforcing the laws we have (novel concept!) and providing investment to secure the borders. The federal government has certainly failed there.
And what is a 'Hispanic' supposed to look like? Not all of them are 5' 6" Mestizos with Spanish surnames; many are White and some are Black. OTOH: there is many an Anglo or Mulatto out there who looks stereotypically 'Mexican'.

Repeat after me: illegal aliens come in all colors.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:00 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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What is it with liberals and the Constitution? Seems like they love illegals more than America
Seems to be a strange question for you to ask. What is it with me the Constitution? Oh nothing, it's just...well, you know, this pretty important document that has always served as the law of the land and protected our rights. No biggie. Seems like you love your own interests more than the Constitution.

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And what is a 'Hispanic' supposed to look like? Not all of them are 5' 6" Mestizos with Spanish surnames; many are White and some are Black. OTOH: there is many an Anglo or Mulatto out there who looks stereotypically 'Mexican'.

Repeat after me: illegal aliens come in all colors.
Everyone knows what they will be looking at when they form their judgment of who to detain.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Mastic Beach
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the majority look Hispanic I would assume. I would settle for kicking out the Majority of Illegal Immigrants. Most of them aren't going to be white, black and whatever else the hell he said.
People please...get real...you get pulled over...the police are going to ask for a license...if you have it...nomatter what color you are they will let you go...if you don't...get in the truck!
makes perfect sense.
those without ID should be questioned as to why...
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:29 AM
 
Location: TEXAS
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Reminders:

There's no correlation to all this hoopla and the constitution.

But if you care more about that document than respect for the law and protecting your property, your rights, and this land - you're a traitor and don't deserve the rights of citizenship!

And if you're LEGAL, the AZ law should mean ZIP to you.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:48 AM
 
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Don't let foreign D-list celebs, arrogant Hollyweirdos, clueless politicians looking for a quick fix to their battered reps, race-baiters like Al Sharpton, the MSM, or other socialist-liberal states try to bully you from doing what's right for YOUR state and YOUR citizens!

You have the majority of Americans on your side and we applaud you for taking a stand!

Yes!!!
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Old 05-12-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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Old 05-12-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Yes. I "joined the cause" that was called, "let's come up with something that doesn't violate Constitutional rights."
You do realize don't you, that people who are in this country illegally, while entitled to basic human rights, are not entitled to protection under the U.S. Constitution, i.e.; Constitutional rights?

Not that this law violates Constitutional rights anyway.
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Old 05-14-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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ARIZONA UNDER FIRE? HARDLY
by Tom Foreman, political correspondent for CNN

If you have followed the growing furor over the new Arizona immigration law, it would be easy to assume that public anger runs as deeply against this legislation as the Grand Canyon Stateís most prominent geologic feature. (I mean, of course, other than John McCainís shuffleboard court.)

After all, Californians are howling. Professional basketball and baseball players are threatening to quit playing and run home or something like that. Heck, even the makers of AriZona iced tea are pointing out that they are located in New York.

So I repeat, you may well think public sentiment is dead against the good voters of Arizona. But you would be wrong. Poll after poll has found most Americans think the Arizonans have a good idea. Not perfect, to be sure. But good. Iím not talking about a bunch of fly-by-night push polls. Iím talking about Gallup, New York Times/CBS and Pew among others, heavy hitters with solid reputations. And they are finding that the majority of Americans donít think there is anything wrong with police asking some questions if it seems like someone is here illegally.

As you might expect, the polls show GOP voters most in favor of this law. But independents also support it, albeit by a narrower margin. And Democrats? A majority of them oppose the law, but one out of three is OK with it.

Opponents of this measure donít like hearing those numbers. They like numbers like this: 90 million. Thatís how many dollars the mayor of Phoenix says boycotts could cost his metro area over the next five years in lost conventions and tourism.

Maybe so. But boycotts are notoriously unpredictable. Everyone who ever starts one predicts it will cause the fall of the Roman Empire, and that is rarely the case. Uh, except in Rome about 1,500 years ago, and that was not so much a boycott as a general strike.

Those who are complaining about the Arizona law are passionate, and they may have some solid legal arguments, vis-a-vis, constitutionality. But make no mistake, they are in the minority. Americans in growing numbers are telling Washington it is time for a serious debate and some hard decisions need to be made about our immigration policy. And far from damning Arizona for jumping the gun, they are applauding.

Ė CNNís Tom Foreman is a regular on "C360į"/www.ac360.com and "Campbell Brown: No Bias, No Bull."
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Old 05-14-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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I THANK the boycotter's of Arizona for now making Arizona the capital of vacation spots! Truth ALWAYS prevails...
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