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Old 05-07-2010, 01:38 AM
 
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Weak...even though illegal immigration is up in the region, crime is down.
Arizona, immigration and crime | Midwest Voices
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Violent crime in Arizona has gone down the last four reported years, from 2005 to 2008. The total drop was 13 percent.
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Tactical-Life.com » Studies show decrease in Arizona crime rates over time.
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However, people like Republican State Senator Russell Pearce of Mesa, the bill’s author, overlook two salient points: crime rates have already been falling in Arizona for years despite the presence of unauthorized immigrants, and a century’s worth of research has demonstrated that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native-born. Furthermore, while much has been made about kidnappings in Arizona, law-enforcement officials indicate that most of these involve drug and human smugglers, as well as smuggled immigrants themselves - not the general population of the state.
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According to data from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, violent crimes in Arizona fell from 512 per 100,000 people in 2005 to 447 per 100,000 people in 2008, the last year for which data is available.
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According to a 2008 report from the conservative Americas Majority Foundation, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates, such as Arizona. From 1999 to 2006, the total crime rate declined 13.6 percent in the 19 highest-immigration states (including Arizona), compared to a 7.1 percent decline in the other 32 states.
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Although the unauthorized immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2004, data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics indicates that the violent crime rate in the United States declined by 35.1 percent during this time and the property crime rate fell by 25.0 percent.

They passed that law, because of knee-jerk reactionaries and the need/want to profile. If you're not like us, you're worse than us, is the mentality. And let's blame anyone who's not us, for our woes and misfortune. Someone else used the same talking points....let's see, who was it.

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Old 05-07-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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Weak...even though illegal immigration is up in the region, crime is down.
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Tactical-Life.com » Studies show decrease in Arizona crime rates over time.





They passed that law, because of knee-jerk reactionaries and the need/want to profile. If you're not like us, you're worse than us, is the mentality. And let's blame anyone who's not us, for our woes and misfortune. Someone else used the same talking points....let's see, who was it.

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So you don't consider entering the country illegally a crime? lol
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Weak...even though illegal immigration is up in the region, crime is down.
Arizona, immigration and crime | Midwest Voices


Tactical-Life.com » Studies show decrease in Arizona crime rates over time.





They passed that law, because of knee-jerk reactionaries and the need/want to profile. If you're not like us, you're worse than us, is the mentality. And let's blame anyone who's not us, for our woes and misfortune. Someone else used the same talking points....let's see, who was it.

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So let me get this straight.....If we got rid of 10 million illegals that would NOT translate into jobs for American citizens?

What part of illegal "dont" you get!
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Weak...even though illegal immigration is up in the region, crime is down.
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Tactical-Life.com » Studies show decrease in Arizona crime rates over time.





They passed that law, because of knee-jerk reactionaries and the need/want to profile. If you're not like us, you're worse than us, is the mentality. And let's blame anyone who's not us, for our woes and misfortune. Someone else used the same talking points....let's see, who was it.

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Is there a good head count of how many illegals aren't criminals? Counting the fact that illegal makes one a criminal, of course. I just read a sign that one illegal carried in the May 5 parade about how America owes them all the things that citizens have and in a different color said that they would begin killing policemen if they didn't get what we owe them.

I was just wondering how many of them aren't criminals the minute they step over that border without permission.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Texas
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So you don't consider entering the country illegally a crime? lol
My response was supposed to be in another thread that I got confused with this one, but let me answer your question. Entering the country illegally is definitely a crime, no way you look at it.

However, attempting to say that illegal immigration will affect a majority of Americans employment wise with the majority of illegal immigrants is simply ludicrous. Unless your employment field is within the construction-manual labor to the under $10/hr sector your employment prospects are not in danger.

With the laws and regulations already on the books and if enforced those sectors as well would be protected.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:50 AM
 
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So let me get this straight.....If we got rid of 10 million illegals that would NOT translate into jobs for American citizens?

What part of illegal "dont" you get!

If you think that 10 million American jobs are working in construction and manual labor positions especially with the current economic condition would somehow magically alleviate the jobs situation, you're on crack.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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Is there a good head count of how many illegals aren't criminals? Counting the fact that illegal makes one a criminal, of course. I just read a sign that one illegal carried in the May 5 parade about how America owes them all the things that citizens have and in a different color said that they would begin killing policemen if they didn't get what we owe them.

I was just wondering how many of them aren't criminals the minute they step over that border without permission.
Hell I just read a sign over the weekend from a supposed American citizen that America was a Christian nation and that our Constitution outlaws all other religions.

There are always wackos and those who feel entitled, but those aren't the majority nor are they usually the case. Those who engage is violent crime as the stats show are not the norm.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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all illegals are criminals, therefore all criminals are illegals.

'kay.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:58 AM
 
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My response was supposed to be in another thread that I got confused with this one, but let me answer your question. Entering the country illegally is definitely a crime, no way you look at it.

However, attempting to say that illegal immigration will affect a majority of Americans employment wise with the majority of illegal immigrants is simply ludicrous. Unless your employment field is within the construction-manual labor to the under $10/hr sector your employment prospects are not in danger.

With the laws and regulations already on the books and if enforced those sectors as well would be protected.
Simply not true. First off, ask any gardener in California how much they really make and you will find it is at least $10/hr. and often more. Same thing with Nannies. Also, think supply and demand. The fewer available workers available = the higher the wages will be. There definitely would be more jobs and less unemployment for American Citizens if the Government would enforce the Laws with regard to Illegals.
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