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Old 05-07-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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Originally Posted by minesbroken View Post
you have to show proof of citizenship (even if it is temporary) (green card) whatever... an Illegal Immigrant can not get a nys drivers license. having one proves that I am legal.
I will bend and say that it may not prove that I am a us citizen ok?
but it does prove that I'm not an Illegal Immigrant.
hows that?
better?
they need a social security number or an INS document claiming temporary citizenship
so in essence.
it proves I'm a citizen
temorary or permanent.
a citizen none the less.




It doesn't prove citizenship.

All it proves is that you were legally in the country at the time it was issued.

Again, the only true "proof of citizenship" documents are a passport or birth certificate.

 
Old 05-07-2010, 06:19 PM
 
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I've never claimed to understand it. Preferably, I am sending this out to Holdencaulfield, but if he cannot answer, then perhaps anyone else can chime in.

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Old 05-07-2010, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Mastic Beach
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It doesn't prove citizenship.

All it proves is that you were legally in the country at the time it was issued.

Again, the only true "proof of citizenship" documents are a passport or birth certificate.
I see you point.
I am man enough to admit when I'm wrong.
perhaps it does not conclusively prove I am a citizen
but it proves I'm legal and that's the point.
not having one is cause for more questioning
in our pursuit for absolutely correct facts we have lost sight of the point.
the point is If I have a nys drivers license it means you don't have to question wether I am here legally or not.
incidentally the expiration date on your license would be the same as the expiration date on your INS document
so it doesn't just prove that you were legal at the time of issue
it is proof that you are legal between the date of issue and the date of the expiration.
as long as it is valid you are legal.
you will probably find something wrong with that also though so
I'm waiting...
 
Old 05-07-2010, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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It doesn't prove you're here legally.

All it proves is that you were legal at the time it was issued. Green card may have expired or been revoked, etc...

That's why a DL does not suffice as proof of citizenship or of legal status.
 
Old 05-07-2010, 06:29 PM
 
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Check again.

Anyone can get a DL or state-issued ID.

The only true documents that prove citizenship are either a birth certificate or a passport.
Nope, most states do not issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Most states require proof of citizenship or legal residency to get a DL.
 
Old 05-07-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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It doesn't prove you're here legally.

All it proves is that you were legal at the time it was issued. Green card may have expired or been revoked, etc...

That's why a DL does not suffice as proof of citizenship or of legal status.
Yes, a DL does prove you are a citizen or legal resident. As for green card holders whose visa may have expired after getting a DL I am not sure how that works. It would be interesting to find that out.
 
Old 05-07-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Mastic Beach
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere View Post
It doesn't prove you're here legally.

All it proves is that you were legal at the time it was issued. Green card may have expired or been revoked, etc...

That's why a DL does not suffice as proof of citizenship or of legal status.
when you have an INS document your license states your status. Mine doesn't so it is proof that I am here legally.
keep digging though
I know you want to.
if your right I will admit it,
we already established that.
 
Old 05-07-2010, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Mastic Beach
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Yes, a DL does prove you are a citizen or legal resident. As for green card holders whose visa may have expired after getting a DL I am not sure how that works. It would be interesting to find that out.
when you get a license with an INS document it states your status on your license and your INS document must be presented with your license when asked for it.
if either one is expired I doubt it would go well for you.
so Yes
a license if proof that you are legal.
 
Old 05-07-2010, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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Yes, a DL does prove you are a citizen or legal resident. As for green card holders whose visa may have expired after getting a DL I am not sure how that works. It would be interesting to find that out.

You just contradicted yourself. You state absolutely that a DL proves citizenship, then wonder what happens when someone's papers go out of date.
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