If I'm jaywalking, do the cops have a right to ask for ID and proof of my citizenship? (driver license, driver)

[getmeoutofhere]

Originally Posted by minesbroken

guess not...
seems I am the bigger person today.
either way.

No, I just don't care any more.

It's like arguing with the Rain Man.

[minesbroken]

Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere

No, I just don't care any more.

It's like arguing with the Rain Man.

do you always resort to name calling when you get tired of being wrong?

[sunkl]

Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere

Reality is 12 million people aren't just going to vanish. It's far more advantageous to offer a path to legal residency than it is to waste manpower and untold sums of cash to try and throw them out.

Reality is, if the federal government were to actually enforce the law that the the Arizona law mirrors, there wouldn't be 12 million ( in reality, more like 20 million ) illegals in the country, and those who are here now, knowing that they won't be given jobs that Americans would take, considering the rate of unemployment....if they knew that they would be denied the social services that they are presently getting....if they knew their children would not be allowed into public schools, then they wouldn't have any reason to stay here.

I know things are bad in their home countries, but instead of coming here and leeching off our system, they should go back to their home country and work to change them.

[Sunshadow]

Originally Posted by minesbroken

Don't bother man, your arguing into an empty kettle. there is no common sense or base for argument at the other end. just an incessant need to be correct at all costs.
when they feel the argument going in a direction they dont approve of they make derogatory comments instead of admitting they could be wrong.
getmeoutofhere proved me wrong on a couple of points and I admitted my mistakes after he resorted to the name calling,
I proved him wrong on a couple of things and he left the stadium.

You're correct, of course. I just like to let them know that they and their arguments are transparent, and can be seen for what they are.

They seem genetically incapable of admitting when they've been proven wrong.

[minesbroken]

Originally Posted by Sunshadow

You're correct, of course. I just like to let them know that they and their arguments are transparent, and can be seen for what they are.

They seem genetically incapable of admitting when they've been proven wrong.

that has become quite apparent my friend
I even tell them I'm not mad at them for having a difference of opinion and they still resort to name calling.
just hot heads I guess.

[Sunshadow]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

Do you know what an ad hominem attack is? You should, you are very skilled at it.

Do you know what statements of facts are? It doesn't surprise me that you don't, since you don't seem capable of comprehending them.

Keep it up, mrswigglesburth...I can play your game far better than you can.....and I can do it all day long.

[Sunshadow]

Originally Posted by minesbroken

that has become quite apparent my friend
I even tell them I'm not mad at them for having a difference of opinion and they still resort to name calling.
just hot heads I guess.

Indeed. I'm not mad at them either. More like fascinated at their obtuseness.

I toy with them to draw them out, and expose the idiocy of their arguments. After a while, they bore me, and I move on.

The only people who ever claimed that libs/progs/alinskyites were smart were other libs/progs/alinskyites.

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere

Reality is 12 million people aren't just going to vanish. It's far more advantageous to offer a path to legal residency than it is to waste manpower and untold sums of cash to try and throw them out.

Big fines to companies that hire illegals as well as provide housing to them. No more subsidizing illegals. They cannot receive any type of government aid since they do not deserve it. The anchor babies of illegals should not receive citizenship. No one should profit from illegal means. The income they make is from an illegal activity and should be confiscated.

That removes incentives for illegals to come here. Most will go home.

I don't care who you are or where you came from but if you are here illegally and taking jobs from legal workers I don't want you here.

[Convert 54]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

I heard they do in Arizona. I'm an American citizen, born and raised, This sounds like a dicatorship

in a simple answer for an ultra simple question.......yes, and in all 50 states except the one your living in which is the state of denial.

[malamute]

If jaywalking is against the law and they can stop an American -- then certainly they can stop illegals. In the process of giving a ticket, it's certainly possible to ascertain legal status.