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Old 05-08-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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Lebensraum (German for "living space") was a belief in Germany in the early 20th century that Germany needed new land to expand in, especially toward the east. It became a major motivation for Nazi Germany's territorial aggression after 1937. Lebensraum was a reinterpretation of the by then century-old concept of Drang nach Osten. In his book Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler detailed his belief that the German people needed Lebensraum – for a Großdeutschland, land, and raw materials – and that it should be taken in the East.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Actually; Mexico today has a lot of the same symptoms of Weimar Germany i.e. few rich with many poor people struggling, a sense of being unjustly defeated/losing land (WW I Treaty of Versailles), etc.

The difference is that Mx would not last long in another war with the USA for many reasons--------weak economy being a biggie. Too; the outcome would be ghastly as in losing more land, etc. to the USA.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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Actually; Mexico today has a lot of the same symptoms of Weimar Germany i.e. few rich with many poor people struggling, a sense of being unjustly defeated/losing land (WW I Treaty of Versailles), the Nazi's coming to power, etc.

The difference is that Mx would not last long in another war with the USA for many reasons--------weak economy being a biggie. Too; the outcome would be ghastly as in losing more land, etc. to the USA.
1. The US and Mexico will not go to war.

2. You seem to have a very, very, very weak concept of war in the 21st century. There would be no conventional warfare. It would be guerilla, urban warfare. In a much more populated, urbanized country, think Iraq times 1,000. It would be completely disastrous for the U.S., as it would devastate not just Mexico(where the US has A LOT of its economy invested) but also the US itself. This is something that could not be recovered from. It would be the single most stupid move by the US in its history.

Also, the global community would likely take action against the US. Starting a war over immigration would be one of many unjust wars the US has engaged in. But it's usually not a country as advanced as Mexico. The world looks the other way when it's an Iraq or Afghanistan, but Mexico is a country that participates in the global community, where many countries have investments.

Yeah, it would end very badly for the US, if it ever ended.
I would let go of that dream of yours.

People with your attitude toward war are a bad asset for our country,
War isn't the tall, Americans riding in on white stallions killing thousands of short, dirty Mexican peons.
It's a lot of innocent Mexican people getting murdered and raped by over zealous soldiers like what is going on in Iraq/Afghanistan.
It's a lot of American soldiers being killed and losing limbs by roadside bombs and random attacks.

War is not to be glorified, no matter how much you want it.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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1. The US and Mexico will not go to war.

2. You seem to have a very, very, very weak concept of war in the 21st century. There would be no conventional warfare. It would be guerilla, urban warfare. In a much more populated, urbanized country, think Iraq times 1,000. It would be completely disastrous for the U.S., as it would devastate not just Mexico(where the US has A LOT of its economy invested) but also the US itself. This is something that could not be recovered from. It would be the single most stupid move by the US in its history.

Also, the global community would likely take action against the US. Starting a war over immigration would be one of many unjust wars the US has engaged in. But it's usually not a country as advanced as Mexico. The world looks the other way when it's an Iraq or Afghanistan, but Mexico is a country that participates in the global community, where many countries have investments.

Yeah, it would end very badly for the US, if it ever ended.
I would let go of that dream of yours.
We are a sovereign nation and have the right to control our borders. Besides: several million illegal aliens from Mexico alone is a de facto invasion under international law. It is high time to expel those losers en masse.

As it stands: unless Mexico gets a handle on its drug gangs..........we may have to step in-----------at the request in those Mexican people who are trying stay home and build up their nation.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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We are a sovereign nation and have the right to control our borders. Besides: several million illegal aliens from Mexico alone is a de facto invasion under international law. It is high time to expel those losers en masse.

As it stands: unless Mexico gets a handle on its drug gangs..........we may have to step in-----------at the request in those Mexican people who are trying stay home and build up their nation.
I see what I was saying didn't sink in.
Try re-reading until you comprehend what I'm saying.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Germany
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In German the word Lebensraum is in any case not a Nazi-word. It simply describes the space where a creature does live. For instance, the Lebensraum of deer is the wood. The Lebensraum of sharks is the ocean.

Hitler also used this word in his speeches, But it's not a Nazi-term.
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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In German the word Lebensraum is in any case not a Nazi-word. It simply describes the space where a creature does live. For instance, the Lebensraum of deer is the wood. The Lebensraum of sharks is the ocean.

Hitler also used this word in his speeches, But it's not a Nazi-term.
Beat me to it. And nobody's going to war anytime soon.
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Old 05-09-2010, 06:24 AM
 
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People with your attitude toward war are a bad asset for our country,
War isn't the tall, Americans riding in on white stallions killing thousands of short, dirty Mexican peons.
Oh.stop it,,,,your getting me all giddy and excited at the thought of so many brown, dismembered peons..............sarcasm on of course.

it will be short brutal and quick.
Mexico loose America win.

Wars have been fought for millennial because of tribal movement into adjacant lands and this is no different.
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:38 AM
 
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In fact, to say 'We need new Lebensraum.' means actually 'We need to conquer other countries.'
But it's a very belittling description. He had been cheating the Germans somehow.
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Old 05-16-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Oh.stop it,,,,your getting me all giddy and excited at the thought of so many brown, dismembered peons..............sarcasm on of course.

it will be short brutal and quick.
Mexico loose America win.

Wars have been fought for millennial because of tribal movement into adjacant lands and this is no different.
Quite true!
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