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Old 07-07-2010, 11:41 PM
 
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I oppose any radical/racist groups in this country.
Really, why do you post links to White Power groups. I submit this post by you as evidence Mr. Watson.

Zogby: 56% of all Mexicans would consider moving to the US if another amnesty is passed

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I don't know what a white populist is. But if wanting to retain this country's dominant culture, heritage and language and certainly not having it diluted through illegal immigration makes me a white populist then so be it. As I said, it is not just a coincidence though that far too many Hispanic citizens are supporters of these illegal aliens.
Thanks for proving my point, again.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:59 AM
 
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Really, why do you post links to White Power groups. I submit this post by you as evidence Mr. Watson.

Zogby: 56% of all Mexicans would consider moving to the US if another amnesty is passed


Thanks for proving my point, again.
I found that link on another website and was only interested in the Zogby poll within it and not anything else. I am not a white racist if that is what you are implying nor do I follow white racist websites.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:14 AM
 
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Apparently, you still don't understand that it's counterintuitive and nonsensical for there to be a "racist Hispanic" group, as Hispanics include persons of every race. Hispanics are people of various national groups that speak a common language, Spanish.



The central point there is that the neo-Confederate movement is never discussed as a potential domestic insurgency or fifth column that could act to secede from the authority of the federal government, despite the fact that there actually is a strong neo-Confederate movement in the South, whereas the majority of immigrants will not understand the word "reconquista" except as a reference to the Spanish re-conquest from the Moors. Fewer still will understand your reference to "Aztlan."



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And it's England that did? Why do you mention "Anglo-whites" when the Anglo population is diminishing? Incidentally, the nationalistic nostalgia in Mexico is also anti-Spanish.



And as I've said repeatedly, your rhetoric is similar to that of WWII propagandists inventing the most ludicrous charges against anyone of Japanese descent.
The NCLR is an ethnocentric group promoting everything and anyone who shares the Hispanic culture. They even think that Hispanics should be rewarded for breaking our immigration laws. That makes them anti-American also. They fight everything and anyone who enforces our immigration laws.

Again, the Confederates have nothing to do with illegal immigration so why should they even be discussed in this forum?

I mention anglo-whites to distinguish them from Hispanic-whites. It is the entire non-Hispanic population in this country that is being diminished by illegal immigration from mostly south of our border. Mexico is anti-Spanish? WTH?

No, my stance on illegal immigration has nothing to do with the Japanese long ago. The subject is illegal immigration today. Try to stay on topic, ok?

If you think that the Chicano nationalists aren't using the illegal aliens as their little foot soldiers to increase their numbers and aren't preaching their agenda to those who haven't been brainwashed yet then you aren't seeing the picture clearly or you are in denial over it.
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Old 07-08-2010, 05:51 PM
 
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I found that link on another website and was only interested in the Zogby poll within it and not anything else. I am not a white racist if that is what you are implying nor do I follow white racist websites.
We're simply pointing out the common aims. It's because there's a common foundation in white populism.

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The NCLR is an ethnocentric group promoting everything and anyone who shares the Hispanic culture.
And even if that were entirely true (which it is not, since there is no homogenous "Hispanic culture"), that would not be a "racist" aim, since Hispanics are not a race. It would be no more "ethnocentric" than your interests in promoting Anglo-Protestant culture.

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They even think that Hispanics should be rewarded for breaking our immigration laws. That makes them anti-American also. They fight everything and anyone who enforces our immigration laws.
I'm not interested in your jingoistic rhetoric or legal fetishism. You'll have to point to the underlying crime of moral turpitude involved in walking across land so as to go from one side of an invisible line in the dirt to the other. Lawbreaking does not suffice, since violation of Jim Crow laws was also lawbreaking.

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Again, the Confederates have nothing to do with illegal immigration so why should they even be discussed in this forum?
The neo-Confederate movement is characterized by historical revisionism and aspirations of secession from the control of the federal government, but it is not depicted as "irredentist" by most rightist commentators. I'm questioning why that is, when it is so much more powerful than Mexican nationalistic nostalgia.

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I mention anglo-whites to distinguish them from Hispanic-whites.
And England and Spain are the only countries in Europe, or did you simply use the term "Anglo-whites" to mean all non-Hispanic whites?

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It is the entire non-Hispanic population in this country that is being diminished by illegal immigration from mostly south of our border.
The non-Hispanic population is not "diminished." Do they vanish into thin air? You mean that Hispanics are forming a larger percentage of the population, but you'll have to outline some sort of tangible problem with that.

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Mexico is anti-Spanish? WTH?
Anti-Spain rhetoric is a characteristic of Mexican populism, just as anti-Britain rhetoric is a characteristic of U.S. populism. Both are the hated colonial oppressors. It's also popular to hate "the politicians in the Federal District (Mexico City)" in more rural parts of Mexico, just as "those politicians in Washington" are hated in the U.S. There are racial dynamics there that don't exist in the U.S., since the majority of the rural population is Indian and the majority of the privileged urban population is white, but they're not always explicitly identified.

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No, my stance on illegal immigration has nothing to do with the Japanese long ago. The subject is illegal immigration today. Try to stay on topic, ok?

If you think that the Chicano nationalists aren't using the illegal aliens as their little foot soldiers to increase their numbers and aren't preaching their agenda to those who haven't been brainwashed yet then you aren't seeing the picture clearly or you are in denial over it.
It's exactly parallel to the rhetoric that Japanese internment was based on. An ethnic group is depicted as a fifth column with foreign loyalties, and are especially scapegoated in times of crisis. The fact that the majority of migrant laborers don't know or care about "Chicano nationalists" has no effect on your mindset. It just amazes me that someone would be vilified for writing about Jews in this way, yet your commentary is acceptable political discourse.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:35 PM
 
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We're simply pointing out the common aims. It's because there's a common foundation in white populism.



And even if that were entirely true (which it is not, since there is no homogenous "Hispanic culture"), that would not be a "racist" aim, since Hispanics are not a race. It would be no more "ethnocentric" than your interests in promoting Anglo-Protestant culture.



I'm not interested in your jingoistic rhetoric or legal fetishism. You'll have to point to the underlying crime of moral turpitude involved in walking across land so as to go from one side of an invisible line in the dirt to the other. Lawbreaking does not suffice, since violation of Jim Crow laws was also lawbreaking.



The neo-Confederate movement is characterized by historical revisionism and aspirations of secession from the control of the federal government, but it is not depicted as "irredentist" by most rightist commentators. I'm questioning why that is, when it is so much more powerful than Mexican nationalistic nostalgia.



And England and Spain are the only countries in Europe, or did you simply use the term "Anglo-whites" to mean all non-Hispanic whites?



The non-Hispanic population is not "diminished." Do they vanish into thin air? You mean that Hispanics are forming a larger percentage of the population, but you'll have to outline some sort of tangible problem with that.



Anti-Spain rhetoric is a characteristic of Mexican populism, just as anti-Britain rhetoric is a characteristic of U.S. populism. Both are the hated colonial oppressors. It's also popular to hate "the politicians in the Federal District (Mexico City)" in more rural parts of Mexico, just as "those politicians in Washington" are hated in the U.S. There are racial dynamics there that don't exist in the U.S., since the majority of the rural population is Indian and the majority of the privileged urban population is white, but they're not always explicitly identified.



It's exactly parallel to the rhetoric that Japanese internment was based on. An ethnic group is depicted as a fifth column with foreign loyalties, and are especially scapegoated in times of crisis. The fact that the majority of migrant laborers don't know or care about "Chicano nationalists" has no effect on your mindset. It just amazes me that someone would be vilified for writing about Jews in this way, yet your commentary is acceptable political discourse.
Keep chasing your tail, getting off topic, whining about the past along with your hints at the race card. The subject is illegal immigration and our right to enforce our immigration laws as a soveirgn nation today. I am done with you.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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Keep chasing your tail, getting off topic, whining about the past along with your hints at the race card. The subject is illegal immigration and our right to enforce our immigration laws as a soveirgn nation today. I am done with you.
Don't worry; I didn't expect you to provide a refutation. But the fallacy of your little "reconquista" is obvious. The whites are the upper class and the Indians the lower class, with any middle to upper class Indians becoming "mestizos." The Mexican government is primarily composed of whites; the country is characterized by a form of informal apartheid that places Native Americans at the bottom of the totem pole.

Now, the majority of Mexican immigrants are the Indian lower and under classes; some have experienced such intense rural isolation that they do not even speak Spanish. Within Mexico, those Indians have been affiliated with socialist or leftist movements characterized by overt antagonism to the Mexican government, which is dominated by whites of Spanish extraction. The Zapatista Army of National Liberation (named after revolutionary figure Emiliano Zapata), is the most famous, and overwhelmingly consists of Tzotzil Mayans of the southernmost Mexican state of Chiapas, which borders Guatemala and is heavily Indian. Another is the "Magonista" movement (named after revolutionary figure Ricardo Flores Magon), in the heavily Indian state of Oaxaca. These groups have engaged in violent conflict with Mexican military forces in the past, and are certainly still very much at odds with the government.

It's thus the case that Mexican nationalism is hardly popular among migrant laborers; why would they desire that the government whose jurisdiction they are departing gain authority over the region that they are traveling to, particularly when many governmental figures are regarded as racists unsympathetic to their troubles? "Reconquista" ideology is discussed more often among socially conservative circles sympathetic to white populism than among Mexican immigrants.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:16 PM
 
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No wander mexico is having so much trouble. They don't recongnise that the southwest does not want to be part of mexico; just like so many of their citzens here.
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:08 AM
 
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The "Southwest" doesn't want anything, since it's a region of land and cannot think or form desires.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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I'd call La Raza an organized conspiracy.
Most surely. There are La Raza chapters on virtually every college and university campus in the Southwest and California, plus many high schools. An analogy to this would be like having a KKK chapter on every school campus in the South.
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Old 07-09-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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The "Southwest" doesn't want anything, since it's a region of land and cannot think or form desires.
No, but the legal US Citizens that make up that region do. Two of those are the enforcement of our immigration laws and a secure border. What surprises me by these polls is the amount of people willing to flee a Country that is supposed to be so "great".
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