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Old 07-09-2010, 06:05 PM
 
Location: SELA
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Most surely. There are La Raza chapters on virtually every college and university campus in the Southwest and California, plus many high schools. An analogy to this would be like having a KKK chapter on every school campus in the South.
That would require advocacy of racial supremacy and reactionary social aims on the part of the NCLR. Since the NCLR, by its very nature as a Hispanic advocacy group, is multi-racial, you'll have to outline this "analogy" for me.

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No, but the legal US Citizens that make up that region do. Two of those are the enforcement of our immigration laws and a secure border. What surprises me by these polls is the amount of people willing to flee a Country that is supposed to be so "great".
So "great" according to whom? But thanks for mentioning that those people are fleeing the country; it outlines the absurdity of claiming that they have an interest in expanding the influence of the government whose zone of influence they are deliberately leaving.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:34 PM
 
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For those that are ignorant about what reconquista is all about it isn't about them setting up a government like Mexico in this country. It is about carving out a part of this country that Mexicans deem stolen and making it their own. They also want political, numerical and cultural dominance in this country. It has nothing to do with the government in Mexico that is controlled by the white Spanish elite.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:43 PM
 
Location: SELA
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For those that are ignorant about what reconquista is all about it isn't about them setting up a government like Mexico in this country. It is about carving out a part of this country that Mexicans deem stolen and making it their own. They also want political, numerical and cultural dominance in this country. It has nothing to do with the government in Mexico that is controlled by the white Spanish elite.
Apparently, you're also interested in typing about the same deluded jingoist conspiracy theories so popular among white populists.

Aztlan and Reconquista - Stormfront

Mexicans are persons from Mexico; their only uniform ethnic identity comes from their nationality. The problem with the "reconquista" conspiracy theorists is that they propagate an incoherent conspiracy. It has something to do with the Mexican-American War, but there's also something called "Aztlan" involved despite the fact that that has nothing to do with the Mexican-American War, and no one's really sure exactly who profits from the fabled "reconquista" since the Indian immigrants dislike the elite whites and are generally not Aztecs, but as long as everyone's so confused anyway, just strengthen immigration restrictions.
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Old 07-10-2010, 07:27 AM
 
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Our government's right to enforce our immigration laws has nothing to do with the threat of a reconquista as we enforce them against all illegal entry and visa overstayers. Reconquista is mostly an agenda by the Chicano Nationalists who are U.S. citizens. Illegal immigration from south of our border just helps them acheive their goal of numerical, political and cultural control over this country and to carve out their Latino/Mexican utopia in this country which is their ultimate goal anyway. There are Mecha chapters on every campus in America and that is their core organization supporting this agenda. Anyone who is denying that this exists is either lying to themselves or a deliberate attempt to lie to others about it.

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Old 07-10-2010, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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That would require advocacy of racial supremacy and reactionary social aims on the part of the NCLR. Since the NCLR, by its very nature as a Hispanic advocacy group, is multi-racial, you'll have to outline this "analogy" for me.
The NCLR is not quite as radical as MEChA, but the two groups are allied and share many similar goals. Both groups are ethnocentric, MEChA extremely so. MEChA has a slogan that could have come out of Nazi Germany, one that has been widely publicized; " Por La Raza todo, fuera de La Raza nada", ( Everything for the Race, nothing outside the Race.) La Raza moderates often make the claim that they are nothing more than an educational advocacy organization, but there are many extremists in the group.
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Old 07-10-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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The only problem with Mexican irredentism is that the land was bought and PAID FOR.......

They have ZERO "right" to any of the USA, and yelling they do won't make it so.
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Old 07-10-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: SELA
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Our government's right to enforce our immigration laws has nothing to do with the threat of a reconquista as we enforce them against all illegal entry and visa overstayers. Reconquista is mostly an agenda by the Chicano Nationalists who are U.S. citizens. Illegal immigration from south of our border just helps them acheive their goal of numerical, political and cultural control over this country and to carve out their Latino/Mexican utopia in this country which is their ultimate goal anyway. There are Mecha chapters on every campus in America and that is their core organization supporting this agenda. Anyone who is denying that this exists is either lying to themselves or a deliberate attempt to lie to others about it.
Except that as has been repeatedly explained to you, with non-response on your part, Mexicans and "Latinos" are not racial groups; they're national and linguistic groups, respectively. The "Chicano Nationalists who are U.S. citizens" are also not Mexicans or Latinos unless they possess dual citizenship. As I've also repeatedly said, your statements would be considered outrageous if you were speaking of the American Jewish Congress's interests in establishing Jewish hegemony over the financial institutions of the United States, and pointing to their significant presence in New York as an indication. Your rhetoric is along the lines of the white populism promoted by Father Coughlin, and the justifications used for Japanese interment, as I've said repeatedly.

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The NCLR is not quite as radical as MEChA, but the two groups are allied and share many similar goals. Both groups are ethnocentric, MEChA extremely so. MEChA has a slogan that could have come out of Nazi Germany, one that has been widely publicized; " Por La Raza todo, fuera de La Raza nada", ( Everything for the Race, nothing outside the Race.) La Raza moderates often make the claim that they are nothing more than an educational advocacy organization, but there are many extremists in the group.
What "race," since as I've repeatedly mentioned with no attempt at response, Hispanics are not a race? The comment about Nazi Germany is also extremely asinine; even if MEChA was some kind of racial nationalist group, they have never had the opportunity to systematically implement some kind of supremacist governmental policy. On the contrary, they emerged as a response to it.

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The only problem with Mexican irredentism is that the land was bought and PAID FOR.......
Actually, the problem is that the claim is a colonialist one, since Mexico is a colonial power.
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Old 07-10-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Some interesting polling data on Mexican views toward U.S. immigration and Mexican irredentism:



source: "Public Opinion in Mexico on U.S. Immigration: Zogby Poll Examines Attitudes"



source: "Mexicans Say Southwest U.S. Belongs to Them; Shouldn’t Need Permission to Enter U.S."
Whoah baby..had to look that one up...thanks for adding another word to my paltry vocabulary
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Old 07-10-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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Mecha is a group of Chicano Nationalists that are advocates for Mestizo Mexicans (sometimes referred to as Latinos). That is a part of their own ancestoral heritage even though they were born here. A Mestizo is of mixed race and in the case of most Mexicans it is a combination of Spanish and native indian. So, yes it is about race and the nationality of that race. I can't make it any plainer than that.
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Old 07-10-2010, 10:00 PM
 
Location: SELA
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Mecha is a group of Chicano Nationalists that are advocates for Mestizo Mexicans (sometimes referred to as Latinos). That is a part of their own ancestoral heritage even though they were born here. A Mestizo is of mixed race and in the case of most Mexicans it is a combination of Spanish and native indian. So, yes it is about race and the nationality of that race. I can't make it any plainer than that.
Latinos are persons with national origins in romance language speaking countries of America, those being Spanish, French, and Portuguese. That said, is my proper interpretation of your post that "Chicano Nationalists" do not care about Mexicans that identify as Indians and not "mestizos," along with Central American migrants to the U.S.? That eliminates a very significant portion of immigrants. Or is it that you cavalierly believed that "they're all the same," and so included them all as derivative groups of "Mestizo Mexicans"?

And more than that, what application does the 1960's-era agenda of a group that has not had significant influence on public policy formation have to immigration issues more generally? Or is it your opinion that Antonio Villaraigosa, as the most significant former Mechista office holder in the U.S., is the leader of a nefarious fifth column of "Mestizo Mexicans"? I've said it before and I'll say it again: Attack the American Jewish Congress as an organized conspiracy group intending to secure Jewish hegemony over the financial institutions of the country, and see how well that's received.
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