Republicans boycotting Arizona! (party, election, elect, state)

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

Although this doesn't get much national coverage (with focus on CA due to the sheer size of its economy) Arizona has been hurting economically. Laws like this, that also alienate a huge part of the populace by making them potential targets, serve mostly as distractions and to meet political ends. AZ has also managed to isolate itself, especially in the eyes of a vast majority of Hispanic populace (accounts for 14% of US population), and non-Hispanics like me who don't like the direction of the state's politics and policies its legislature are chasing. I bet a lot of businesses don't either. And this is going to hurt big time.

It has also taken incentive from people who would be visitors from other states and countries. Now it sounds more like a fascist regime where anybody can be questioned on "reasonable suspicion" and subjected to harassment and loss of time and excitement to go with it.

The business of illegal immigration should be handled at the borders, not anywhere and everywhere, where politicians seem fit.

Again I ask why would any citizen or legal resident be a potential target? Why would this law alienate anyone except illegal aliens?

The business of illegal immigration is not being handled at the borders by the feds as they should be so states like Arizona have had to take matters into their own hands to protect their state and their citizens.

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

Again I ask why would any citizen or legal resident be a potential target? Why would this law alienate anyone except illegal aliens?

Again I must reiterate, it has already alienated the Hispanic population. When a person, Hispanic or not, is stopped and asked for proof of legality, they are already a target. Worse, it leaves up to the law enforcement official's judgment to decide whether the person fits the bill or not.

Oh, and people like me who detest fascistic policies. And we're not talking tourists, relatives etc either. Why deal with additional hassles when you can do without? To me, any place that introduces the potential for hassle is not where I want to spend ANY of my precious time and money in.

The business of illegal immigration is not being handled at the borders by the feds as they should be so states like Arizona have had to take matters into their own hands to protect their state and their citizens.

BS. Illegal immigration didn't start last year or the year before. However, political conditions dictate that something must be done now, no matter how ridiculous and intrusive the solution might be. Trust me, the state of Arizona will be reaping what it has started sowing. And the most visible impact will be economic. Sadly politicians are likely to do just fine in the near future, it is the people that will pay for it (and most don't realize it yet).

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

Again I must reiterate, it has already alienated the Hispanic population. When a person, Hispanic or not, is stopped and asked for proof of legality, they are already a target. Worse, it leaves up to the law enforcement official's judgment to decide whether the person fits the bill or not.

Oh, and people like me who detest fascistic policies. And we're not talking tourists, relatives etc either. Why deal with additional hassles when you can do without? To me, any place that introduces the potential for hassle is not where I want to spend ANY of my precious time and money in.

BS. Illegal immigration didn't start last year or the year before. However, political conditions dictate that something must be done now, no matter how ridiculous and intrusive the solution might be. Trust me, the state of Arizona will be reaping what it has started sowing. And the most visible impact will be economic. Sadly politicians are likely to do just fine in the near future, it is the people that will pay for it (and most don't realize it yet).

And again I reiterate why would the legal Hispanic population feel alienated? The law prohibits racial profiling. No one and I repeat NO ONE is going to be stopped purely to be asked for their status in this country. Here we go again for the umpteenth time. First, LE can only stop you after a violation of a law has occured. Next thing they will ask you for your I.D. which isn't any different than what has always been the norm. Next, only if a person cannot present valid I.D. will questions about their status in this country come into play. Do you get it now?

Sorry, that you consider it "hasseling" to provide the very I.D. you have always been asked for when contact with LE is made. Funny, how it was never considered "hasseling" before, isn't it?

Right, this illegal immigration situation has been building up for years. Law abiding Americans and the few honest politicans we have, have been screaming for years for the feds to do something about it. Well, they refused so now the states are taking matters into their own hands. Arizona will not fall apart over a few bleeding heart liberals and those with an ethnocentric agenda boycotting them. There are more of us law abiding Americans that will support them than the two catagories above.

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by GreenGene

I'm saying that Americans are free to choose where they live, where they go on vacation, where they hold their meetings, conventions, etc., and where they chose to spend their money. And if some Americans avoid doing those things in Arizona due to their recently-passed immigration law, I think that's great. That's democracy in action. Are you saying that you don't like democracy?

I'm saying that the U.S. has every right to protect her borders. Just like Mexico protects her southern border.

But you didn't answer my question... should a state enforce the laws? If not, why have laws in the first place? Do you think that illegal aliens crossing our borders is "great?"

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

I don't see that. But, are you saying people shouldn't be free to boycott what they see as fascism? That they can choose to do business where the environment is more cordial. That they can avoid being a part of business Arizona has been getting into.

For one, I have lost my interest in visiting the state. It has a beautiful landscape, and I've been there dozens of times to visit or during my cross country drives. But with the politics and the politicians running the state, I say, no thank you. And I can do that.

Enforcing immigration laws is not fascism. Ridiculous to even claim that.

[snowthedirtbub]

Phoenix losing the convention because of the law is high doubtful, probably has more to do with amenities downtown close to the convention center. There are only a handful of hotels downtown, not enough to keep all the visitors, and bussing them in would be inconvenient.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

Again I must reiterate, it has already alienated the Hispanic population. When a person, Hispanic or not, is stopped and asked for proof of legality, they are already a target. Worse, it leaves up to the law enforcement official's judgment to decide whether the person fits the bill or not.

Oh, and people like me who detest fascistic policies. And we're not talking tourists, relatives etc either. Why deal with additional hassles when you can do without? To me, any place that introduces the potential for hassle is not where I want to spend ANY of my precious time and money in.

BS. Illegal immigration didn't start last year or the year before. However, political conditions dictate that something must be done now, no matter how ridiculous and intrusive the solution might be. Trust me, the state of Arizona will be reaping what it has started sowing. And the most visible impact will be economic. Sadly politicians are likely to do just fine in the near future, it is the people that will pay for it (and most don't realize it yet).

Which 'Hispanic' population? Those who are aiding and abetting illegal aliens (of course they would be alienated and my 'give a damn' for them broke) or those whose first loyalty is to the USA?

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Fleet

Enforcing immigration laws is not fascism. Ridiculous to even claim that.

Needless to say: the race/Nazi/Fascism cards pertaining to illegal immigration no longer work on most Americans---------we see through the BS.

[Danno3314]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

And, let me guess, this applies only when you disagree with the bill(s).

???.....You lost me.....I don't disagree with the bills so, I'm not sure what you mean.

[Danno3314]

Originally Posted by DontH8Me

What absolute and utter nonsense - the comment bolded. I make that drive from SD to LA frequently, with a car full of passengers (big family). Not once in all my years have we EVER been subjected to such a search of the vehicle. It really puts the rest of your post into perspective, though.

If that's the case then they've stopped doing it, it's been several years now since I've done it (probably close to 10 years) but, I remember taking that drive as far back as the early 80's and they were doing it then so, that's a period of at least twenty years they were doing it. It's not nonsense, it's just that they stopped doing it in that same spot. What I said about them boarding buses, I read in an article from 2008....see for yourself:

The new in 'n' out - immigration checkpoints in San Diego | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times