As long as corporate America wants illegals they will stay, Arizona law is a joke

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

Corporate America will take a behind the scenes approach. They are the puppet masters. They'll have a meeting with all the politicians and explain to them that illegal immigrants are vital to their profits.


Average citizen has little power, I realized this tragedy many many years ago.

dream on. Business will always pull the strings. Money talks, bs walks.

Actions speak louder than words. Talk all you want, in the end the people with money call the shots.


The day the average citizen has as much say as a corporation is the day the cubs win the world series.

You would be wise in 'reading the tea leaves', shall we say. Especially if the USA goes into a double dip recession---------which is plausible.

Tick, tock...........

[danielpalos]

Originally Posted by Roguer

Actually, whatever the cost of the time and manpower required to rid AZ of it's illegal alien infestation will more than be compensated for by a reduction in all of the costs associated with the illegal alien baggage.

?wtf

Same old stuck record that I've heard from you many times. Totally unrealistic because of the previously stated ILLEGAL ALLIEN BAGGAGE and all that that includes that is assocated with foreign labor. (you know...anchor baby future democratic voters, etc) Oh and now you want to reduce native US labor to democratic party type dependence on gov? Get native labor used to being on the dole and liking it and, of course, becoming democratic voters for life?

Truly, pure BS. Our moral basis for kicking out unwanted uninvited illegal alien border jumper future democratic voters if amnestied is that they are unwanted uninvited and illegal according to our immigration laws.

You are welcome to substantiate your mostly unsubstantiated opinions, and propaganda without sufficient Cause.

How did you reach your conclusion that more police-state functionality is more efficient in a market economy than market friendly public policy which can lower our tax burden and other costs?

You brought up the less relevant issue of unemployed US labor.

Illegal alien baggage is not a very specific term or quantity. Can you elaborate how your insistence on sufficient Socialism to do credit to any socialist republic, will perform better than market friendly public policies in a mixed-market economy like ours.

If we can't do that, on what ethical or moral basis do we deny or disparage less fortunate illegals in their illegality? Did you miss the point about having enough morals to be credible concerning morals?

California's economy is the largest of any state in the US, and is the eighth largest economy in the world.[1][2]As of 2008, the gross state product (GSP) is about $1.85 trillion, which is 13% of the United States gross domestic product (GDP).[3] The state's GDP growth rate slowed to 0.4% in 2008 after having grown 3.1% in 2006 and 1.8% in 2007.[3]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California

Why do you believe illegal labor is harmful to the economy of California? In my opinion, it is only harmful, simply because of the command economics involved. A market friendly work visa would generate revenue and ensure legal labor market participation in US markets. Why do you have any moral issue with legal labor market participation in the US?

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

Corporations benefit from the cheap labor supplied by illegal immigrants, from the poultry industry, farming industry, to the construction industry. Until they are ready to give up this cheap labor, illegal immigrants will continue to stay. What corporate America wants, corporate America gets. The politicians are in the pockets. Complain all you want, it's not changing anything. You are not going to get in the way of profits, that's the way the cookie crumbles. So get used to your new neighbors.

EXACTLY, if a Meat Packing plant employs 500 illegals and there is a raid, 500 illegals are carted off and 500 more show up the next day.

MANDATORY JAIL TIME for those convicted of employing illegals

[Mrbiggleswurth]

Originally Posted by Boompa

EXACTLY, if a Meat Packing plant employs 500 illegals and there is a raid, 500 illegals are carted off and 500 more show up the next day.

MANDATORY JAIL TIME for those convicted of employing illegals

Aint gonna happen.

[lifelongMOgal]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

Corporations benefit from the cheap labor supplied by illegal immigrants, from the poultry industry, farming industry, to the construction industry. Until they are ready to give up this cheap labor, illegal immigrants will continue to stay. What corporate America wants, corporate America gets. The politicians are in the pockets. Complain all you want, it's not changing anything. You are not going to get in the way of profits, that's the way the cookie crumbles. So get used to your new neighbors.

Have you White House talking points sheet infront of you as you type?

Suggest before you blast corporate America you check the thread about UNIONS and the role they play with the employment of illegal aliens.

The federal government has a duty to enforce current immigration laws as well as stop handing out greencards as though they were Halloween candy!

[Mrbiggleswurth]

Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal

Have you White House talking points sheet infront of you as you type?

Yes, the White House has talking points trashing the government and politicians, calling them all corrupt.

: smack::s mack:

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by Mrbiggleswurth

Yes, the White House has talking points trashing the government and politicians, calling them all corrupt.

: smack::s mack:

Trashing the Gov for its misdeeds as well as inactions is acceptable. If enough people yell loud enough elected reps will respond. After all the one thing they do care about is power and keeping it. 2008 should have taught them a lesson. They can be fired for not listening to what the voter had to say.

[Roguer]

Originally Posted by danielpalos

You are welcome to substantiate your mostly unsubstantiated opinions, and propaganda without sufficient Cause.

How did you reach your conclusion that more police-state functionality is more efficient in a market economy than market friendly public policy which can lower our tax burden and other costs?

I believe that we're talking about how LE is to going remove unwanted uninvited illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied. And we know that you can't amnesty an illegal alien future democratic voter if they've been deported, don't we. You just have to always throw in that bit about market friendly public policy which can lower our tax burden and other costs don't you?

You brought up the less relevant issue of unemployed US labor.

I believe that it was you that wants to put unemployed American CITIZENS displaced by unwanted uninvited illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied on the democratic dole for life.

Illegal alien baggage is not a very specific term or quantity. Can you elaborate how your insistence on sufficient Socialism to do credit to any socialist republic, will perform better than market friendly public policies in a mixed-market economy like ours.

You don't make much sense. Does overcrowded and ruined public school systems, overwhelmed and financially stiffed ERs, incarcerated illegals who preyed on American citizens, the hispanic anchor baby abuse industry,...., touch any nerves?

If we can't do that, on what ethical or moral basis do we deny or disparage less fortunate illegals in their illegality? Did you miss the point about having enough morals to be credible concerning morals?

We're not really required to worry much about uninvited unwanted illegal alien border jumpers. They broke in uninvited and unwanted and now we kick them back out.

Why do you believe illegal labor is harmful to the economy of California? In my opinion, it is only harmful, simply because of the command economics involved. A market friendly work visa would generate revenue and ensure legal labor market participation in US markets. Why do you have any moral issue with legal labor market participation in the US?

Illegal labor is not so cheap when you factor in the baggage that illegals bring. (their baggage is not limited to our overcrowded ruined school systems, ER caos, incarceration of criminal illegals, anchor baby industry abuse....) The jobs that scumbag employers are giving to illegals which only benefit certain industries are subsidized by American taxpayers. Illegals take money out of our economy while millions of unemployed taxpaying American citizens are not paying taxes but are on unemployment.

People like you don't seem to realize that uninvited unwanted illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied are only important to the radical left amnesty democrats who are using them to hispander to hispanic voters.

[danielpalos]

Originally Posted by Boompa

EXACTLY, if a Meat Packing plant employs 500 illegals and there is a raid, 500 illegals are carted off and 500 more show up the next day.

MANDATORY JAIL TIME for those convicted of employing illegals

What about the perspective that we are already paying taxes to a federal government that is delegated the power over issues of Naturalization and Customs for the Union; that was delegated by the People of the several States.

Enforcing immigration laws could be considered a form of double taxation if done by the private sector when we are already paying taxes to a public sector to accomplish that task.

How does your view account for our Ninth Amendment, a federal employment doctrine, and state at-will employment laws?

Employers are not required to hire or fire anyone under at-will employment doctrine. The several States are specifically denied and disparaged in their natural right to impair in the obligation of Contracts. An employment contract is a Contract.

Section 10
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters
of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but
gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder,
ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any
Title of Nobility.

Why do you subscribe to excessive socialism or communism without a just or moral Cause?

Being repugnant to our social Contract and Constitution could be considered more illegal when done by citizens of our republic than by less fortunate illegals who have not pledged their allegiance to it.

[danielpalos]

Originally Posted by Roguer

I believe that we're talking about how LE is to going remove unwanted uninvited illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied. And we know that you can't amnesty an illegal alien future democratic voter if they've been deported, don't we. You just have to always throw in that bit about market friendly public policy which can lower our tax burden and other costs don't you?

I believe that it was you that wants to put unemployed American CITIZENS displaced by unwanted uninvited illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied on the democratic dole for life.

You don't make much sense. Does overcrowded and ruined public school systems, overwhelmed and financially stiffed ERs, incarcerated illegals who preyed on American citizens, the hispanic anchor baby abuse industry,...., touch any nerves?

We're not really required to worry much about uninvited unwanted illegal alien border jumpers. They broke in uninvited and unwanted and now we kick them back out.

Illegal labor is not so cheap when you factor in the baggage that illegals bring. (their baggage is not limited to our overcrowded ruined school systems, ER caos, incarceration of criminal illegals, anchor baby industry abuse....) The jobs that scumbag employers are giving to illegals which only benefit certain industries are subsidized by American taxpayers. Illegals take money out of our economy while millions of unemployed taxpaying American citizens are not paying taxes but are on unemployment.

People like you don't seem to realize that uninvited unwanted illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied are only important to the radical left amnesty democrats who are using them to hispander to hispanic voters.

We already know amnesty doesn't work. I am not advocating repeating a known historical mistake, and claiming I am not really like that afterward.

A market friendly work visa is not amnesty because it has nothing to do with the issue of Naturalization. You may have been resorting to a fallacy of false cause by confusing the two.

It could be argued that native US labor is not being displaced by less skilled foreign labor, except where native labor is simply less efficient. Consider the opposite effect corporate welfare has; rewarding business failures. The view point of some concerning welfare could be considered more applicable to corporate welfare. Securing the economic Blessings of Liberty should be reserved for real persons.

The point was you would have us become a Socialist or Communist nation-state, merely to prosecute your War on Illegals. It is fiscally irresponsible, to say the least. We have a Ninth Amendment, a federal doctrine, and state laws to consider; unless you think the law is not very important.

The point was about Morals. If you don't have any, on what basis do you require others to have them? Our Constitution claims to be the supreme Law of the Land, for a reason.

Why do you object to actually solving our illegal problem in a market friendly manner that can lower our tax burden and help eliminate poverty for native US labor?