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Old 06-15-2007, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman Area
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For uniting the American people. Never have I seen the American people united more on one issue than since 9/11.

For me, my community has experienced the invasion first hand. But I think the protests last year with marches and the upside down American flags and the sight of all the foreign flags waving on American soil woke many Americans up. For that, I thank the illegal aliens.

This current bill was stopped dead in its tracks by Patriots, people like you and me who called their Senators and wrote letters to express how they felt on this issue. I would bet my hard earned pay check that they never expected this outcry...

It appears that the President and Congress still do not understand what the word "NO" means. Ive heard the bill has been revived by a US Senator who called illegal aliens the other day, "undocumented Americans." Absurdity comes to mind. The fight rages on.

A simple thank you to all who continue to voice their opinion and keep the phones ringing to their respective representatives.
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Old 06-15-2007, 08:33 AM
 
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I pray that soon that Americans will take to the streets by tens of millions in every big city!
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:49 PM
 
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I pray that soon that Americans will take to the streets by tens of millions in every big city!

We need that fast.

And everybody please spread the word. Leave on the side the political colors. This is a matter of survival! Yes, it sound extremist but is the truth! we are facing the critical days that will mark the future and prosperity of this nation!! we must stay united! this is no racial issue, is no political issue. It is an American issue! we must demand united what we need.

Remember, politicians are "hired" by us; they are compromised to do the job they were hired for. Represent us. Let's demand our representation!
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Old 06-15-2007, 07:56 PM
 
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I will thank the people who send Bu$h to a tribunal
like Saddam. Google Bu$h-Dole-WTO and see why the
situation you complain about is happening.
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Old 06-15-2007, 08:34 PM
 
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I don't think Americans are united on this issue. We are pretty split on the issue, and most people favor something along the lines of what the current bill proposes.
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Old 06-15-2007, 09:04 PM
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Location: Sebastian/ FL
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For uniting the American people. Never have I seen the American people united more on one issue than since 9/11.

For me, my community has experienced the invasion first hand. But I think the protests last year with marches and the upside down American flags and the sight of all the foreign flags waving on American soil woke many Americans up. For that, I thank the illegal aliens.

This current bill was stopped dead in its tracks by Patriots, people like you and me who called their Senators and wrote letters to express how they felt on this issue. I would bet my hard earned pay check that they never expected this outcry...

It appears that the President and Congress still do not understand what the word "NO" means. Ive heard the bill has been revived by a US Senator who called illegal aliens the other day, "undocumented Americans." Absurdity comes to mind. The fight rages on.

A simple thank you to all who continue to voice their opinion and keep the phones ringing to their respective representatives.
The bill certainly needs more "tailoring"....A LOT MORE!
Yes, I agree, that politicians never ever expected the phones rining off the hook, and floods of faxes, letters and e-mails. (I think, it kind of overwhelmed them a bit???)
Yes, we need to keep this up, no doubt about it.
It has to be more in the INTEREST of the legal, american people, and NOT to favor and make it more suitable for illegal immigrants or anybody else.
Laws need to be enforced without exceptions and mercy, borders secured, tougher immigration regulations......and common ground needs to be found.....quick!
I just don't want to lower myself completely, and thank Bush for anything....He caused enough chaos, despair, and his head is ALREADY big enough....
I've just had it with this government!

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Old 06-15-2007, 10:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I don't think Americans are united on this issue. We are pretty split on the issue, and most people favor something along the lines of what the current bill proposes.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!

The majority of polls not conducted by the NY Times or LA Times show beyond a shadow of a doubt that more than 2/3 of voters in this country are adamantly opposed to the current immigration bill.

You sound like the MSM. Even CBS conducted a poll and reluctantly reported their results, i.e.; Americans on the whole are overwhelmingly opposed to this bill.

Americans who know what this bill is proposing, know the following:

28 Reasons To Kill The Bill Now!!!!!!!!!


1. Security doesn’t come first in this bill. This bill would immediately legalize illegal aliens that are currently in the country. The only way Congress will actually see to it that the border security and enforcement provisions in the bill will be implemented is if they have to do them before they even consider an amnesty for the people who are here.

2. Illegal aliens won’t have to pay back taxes — where do we get the same deal? The whole idea that illegal aliens shouldn’t have to pay the taxes they already owe for working in the United States is utterly and completely offensive because it actually gives them a privilege that American citizens aren’t getting: forgiveness for taxes owed to the IRS.

3. If passed, this bill will make taxpayers pay the legal bills for illegal aliens seeking amnesty. Tucked away is a provision that would allow lawyers in the federally-funded legal services program to represent illegal aliens, which they are presently barred from doing.

4. This bill rewards illegal aliens for breaking our laws. There are tens of millions of people who respect our laws and our country, waiting patiently, in line, often in their home countries, to get a chance to come here. Under this bill, illegal aliens will immediately be eligible for a “Z Visa” which allows them to work, go to school, and — this is important — stay here for the rest of their lives if they so choose because there is no limit on the number of times it can be renewed.

5. The bill gives the government only one business day to conduct a background check to determine whether an applicant is a criminal or a terrorist. It is impossible, of course, to determine in a single day whether someone is a terrorist or a criminal.

6. In the bill Section 601(g)(2), illegal-alien gang members would be eligible for amnesty merely by signing a “renunciation of gang affiliation.”

7. Gang-bangers and other criminals, who have been ordered to leave the United States by an immigration judge but defy the ruling, are called absconders. Section 601(d)(1)(I) permits U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to grant an absconder a Z visa anyway if he can show that being forced to leave the United States “would result in extreme hardship” to the alien, his spouse, parent or child.

8. The bill effectively shuts down our immigration-court system. If an alien in the removal process is eligible for the Z visa, the immigration judge must close the proceedings and offer the alien the chance to apply for the amnesty.

9. If ICE officials apprehend an alien who appears eligible for the Z visa (in other words, just about any illegal alien), they can’t detain him. Instead, ICE must help him apply for the Z visa.

Rather than initiating removal proceedings, ICE will be initiating amnesty applications. It’s like turning the Drug Enforcement Agency into a needle-distribution network.

10. To qualify for the Z-visa amnesty, an illegal alien need only have a job (or be the parent, spouse, or child of someone with a job) and come up with a scrap of paper suggesting he was in the country before Jan. 1 of this year. Any bank statement, pay stub, or similarly forgeable record will do.

Expect a mass influx unlike anything this country has seen before, once the 12-month period for accepting Z visa applications begins. These rules are an open invitation to sneak in and present a fraudulent piece of paper indicating that you were already here.

11. As promised, the bill will legalize most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens now in the country via a new “Z visa.” Each would pay $5,000 - only slightly more than the going rate to be smuggled into America. This is not up front. They will have eight years to pay it back.

12. Supporters of the bill call the Z visa “temporary” - neglecting to mention that it can be renewed indefinitely until the visa holder dies. Thus, we have the country’s first permanent temporary visa. On top of that, it’s a super-visa - allowing the holder to work, attend college or do just about anything else.

Are you a law-abiding alien who’s interested in switching to this privileged status? Sorry. Only illegal aliens can qualify.

13. The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade by granting green cards to all the remote relatives who are in the chain migration categories, a number estimated at 750,000 to 900,000 a year. That is triple the current number of 250,000. Giving green cards to millions of additional relatives ensures that legal immigration will continue to grow as this larger pool of permanent residents brings in spouses.

14. The bill claims that bench marks must be met before amnesty/guest-worker provisions go into effect. But the bench marks fail to require that the U.S.-Mexico border be closed, fail to require that the border fence be completed as mandated by Congress in October and fail to require that the Department of Homeland Security implement the entry-exit visa system so Americans can know if visitors and guest workers actually leave.

The border security part of the bill calls for a 370-mile-long fence on the U.S./Mexico border. That is only half as long as the 700-mile-long fence ordered by the Secure Fence Act passed overwhelmingly by Congress and ostentatiously signed by the president in front of TV cameras just before the November 2006 election.

15. Another bench mark is that “tools” will be provided to prevent illegal immigrants from getting jobs, including requirements for identification standards and an employee verification system. But the bill lacks a requirement that anybody actually use the tools.

16. The costs of the Senate immigration bill are mind-boggling. Unbelievably, the Senate has made no attempt to estimate this costs or how to how to pay them. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector puts a potential price tag on this bill of $2.5 trillion, which is five times the cost of the Iraq war.

17. At least 60 percent of illegal immigrants lack a high school diploma, which means they will work low-wage jobs, pay little or no income tax, and be heavy users of our schools and means-tested social benefits such as Medicaid, school lunches, Women, Infants and Children Program, subsidized housing, the Earned Income Tax Credit, and free legal counsel.

18. Fiscal costs would go up dramatically after amnesty recipients reach retirement. Each elderly low-skill immigrant imposes a net cost - that is benefits minus taxes - on U.S. taxpayers of about $17,000 per year, according to the Heritage Foundation. These costs would hit Social Security and Medicare at the very time Social Security is expected to go into crisis.

19. Section 413 calls on Congress to “accelerate the implementation” of the Security and Prosperity Partnership - announced by Bush in Waco, Texas, in 2005 - so that the United States can “improve the standard of living in Mexico.” Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the awesome economic burden of solving poverty problems in Mexico?

20. The Senate immigration bill states that the United States want to increase access to credit for “poor and under-served populations in Mexico,” and expand efforts “to reduce the transaction costs of remittance flows” from the U.S. to Mexico now running at $23 billion a year. That is money made in the US but transferred out of our economy.

21. The Senate bill also puts the United States into a “partnership” with Mexico for “increasing health care access for poor and under-served populations in Mexico,” for “assisting Mexico in increasing its emergency and trauma health care facilities,” and for “expanding prenatal care” in the border region. Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the awesome economic burden of solving problems in Mexico?

22. The Senate bill authorizes 4,000 new Border Patrol agents, but doesn’t require that they be trained or deployed.

23. Illegal Aliens will receive instate tuition. Illegal aliens would receive a taxpayer subsidy worth tens of thousands of dollars and would be treated better than U.S. citizens from out of state, who must pay three to four times as much to attend college. In an era of limited educational resources and rising tuitions, U.S. citizens, not aliens openly violating federal law, should be first in line to receive education subsidies.

24.Health standards ignored – Z-Visa holders are not required to be given medical examinations and immunizations. Z-Visa applicants and permenant residents are two peas off the same pod. Both can live in the USA as long as they want. Permenant residents are required to be given a medical examination and immunized but Z-Visa holders are not. All aliens, including Z-Visa holders should be required to be given medical examinations and immunized. They are living and breathing in our country just as permanent residents. The health and safety issues are one and the same. TB or Leprosy anyone?

25.“There are no serious assimilation components to the legislation.” Dual citizenship, naturalized Americans voting here and overseas, non-English classrooms and multilingual ballots all thrive, despite the bill’s “comprehensive” scope. “Assimilation” appears only once in this legislation.

26. The amnestee doesn’t have to know squat in English to get probationary status or a Z visa. After four years when seeking to renew the Z visa the first time, he only has to take — not pass, just take — the naturalization language test or be on a waiting list for English classes. “Learn English” only happens after eight years, and then it’s not actual mastery of the language.

27. As stated above in #13 “The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade….” Yet, when asked in a Gallup poll what level of immigration do Americans want, overwhelmingly they say less (46%) or same (34%). While only 16% want more. The US Census Bureau in 1999 projected The USA’s population will double in less then 100 years from 300 million to 600 million. The majority of that increase will be from legal immigration, illegal immigration, plus both their descendants. This is completely against what the American people want. When do we start double decking our freeways Mr. President?

28. If Amnesty passes, 12-20 million illegal aliens would be immediately granted probationary legal status. Processing these individuals would be the responsibility of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). Estimates are, if amnesty is given to just 12 million illegal aliens within the year allowed for applications, that would mean an average of 48,000 amnesty applications each day for USCIS’s 3,000 adjudicators. Add an additional 200,000 guest workers applications to the mix. That would be in addition to the 6.3 million (2005) legal applications and the backlog of several million unresolved applications the USCIS has responsibility over. The Senate’s proposal would vastly expand USCIS’s workload but do little to ensure that the agency is capable of handling the task.
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Old 06-15-2007, 10:31 PM
 
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I pray that soon that Americans will take to the streets by tens of millions in every big city!
Amen! With "Torches and Pitchforks" in hand...
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Old 06-15-2007, 11:26 PM
 
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I pray that soon that Americans will take to the streets by tens of millions in every big city!
Ditto! I am ready. March on just like the illegals did in the middle of the streets. If they can, we can!
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Old 06-16-2007, 09:46 AM
 
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I really like the thought of taking to the streets with Uzis in hand myself...
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