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Old 05-20-2010, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ladoll View Post
You have a lot of nerve complaining about how illegal immigrants don't speak English when you hardly seem able to construct a proper, legible sentence in the language you claim everyone should have to speak in the United States. Aside from being atrociously constructed and poorly spelled, your tirade is full of hyperbole.

What you fail to recognize is that illegal immigrants actually contribute quite a bit to our economy. They do backbreaking work for very low (below minimum wage) pay. If you hate illegal immigration so much then you need to stop going to (most) fast food restaurants, be careful of the produce you buy, the wine you drink, etc.
o shutup. if you love illegals so much then why don't you go live with them in their country? you probably are an illegal.

the USA has done well for 250 years without illegal Latinos. We don't need them!

Old 05-20-2010, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by californio sur View Post
Strictly speaking for myself, there's no argument that the border needs to be closed as much as it is possible for security and population reasons. The issue at hand is the Arizona law & how it can be abused. It seems quite clear that Latinos [of which I am one] are offended and very uncomfortable with the current legislation. Arizona has the option to rewrite it's law or face judicial scrutiny [there are already many legal challenges to the law]. There's a better way of dealing with immigrants but it must start at the border. The boycotts are merely a way to express dissatisfaction with Arizona [similar to the Martin Luther King's birthday issue resulting in Arizona losing the Super Bowl]. Unfortunately, Arizona has a bit of a reputation of acting first and thinking later. It has cost them respect and revenue.
That's backward thinking. Why would you be upset in anyway at Arizona when illegals are the ones breaking the law? If they would not break the law, there wouldn't be a problem. People should complain to all of the leaders in Latin America who are too fkn greedy and corrupt to look out for their own citizens. I think people have alot of nerve bit-ching about AZ.
Old 05-20-2010, 06:08 AM
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You guys/gals should check out this poll thread in the Arizona section of city-data. By the way, I am one of the few that voted no.

Cut the power
Old 05-20-2010, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay100 View Post
o shutup. if you love illegals so much then why don't you go live with them in their country? you probably are an illegal.

the USA has done well for 250 years without illegal Latinos. We don't need them!
That's what you think. You'd surprised how much they have held up our economy and did work most Americans wouldn't want to. If they are gone, someone will have to replace the low pay jobs they had to do. Want to know who that's going to be? You. So don't be so quick to think all illegals are making this country worse. They are doing the little things that are holding the big ones up. I understand there are a few of them that come to the U.S. with no working plan in mind and join gangs to get quick money, but the majority are people just like you and I that are trying to live and provide a better life for their themselves and their families.
Old 05-20-2010, 09:42 AM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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LA can fight back by cutting off Arizona Access to the Port of Los Angeles and blocking there ways of importing goods by Rail.
Old 05-20-2010, 11:28 AM
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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Again, its worth repeating:
FindLaw | Cases and Codes

It decided that a fair division of the first 7,500,000 acre-feet of such mainstream waters would give 4,400,000 acre-feet to California, 2,800,000 to Arizona, and 300,000 to Nevada, and that Arizona and California should each get one-half of any surplus. Congress gave the Secretary of the Interior adequate authority to accomplish this division by giving him power to make contracts for the delivery of water and by providing that no person could have water without a contract.
Arizona can't cut off anything to California, but it DOES have the power to decrease the amount of water that goes to California from its share of the Colorado River. That's fine, considering that has happened for years because of the rapid growth of Arizona. For years, Arizona sold a lot of its water and power to California because the population in AZ simply didn't NEED so much water because of its small size. However, in the last 10-15 years, there has been less of a supply coming straight from AZ because they have a bigger population now. This was probably the worst time for them to make such a threat since the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has been trying to find alternate sources for power.

Anyways, an increasing share of the water and power coming to SoCal is coming from Northern California. Unless Arizona wants to claim 100% of the Colorado River, nothing will probably change. Empty threats all around.

As an added bonus, what other customer is going to buy Arizona power in the same amount as California? There really isn't any other large market Arizona can sell to, and as far as I know, Arizona also needs every cent it can get.

We already have enough threads about the illegal immigrants.
Old 05-20-2010, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by goodneighbor1234 View Post
The mayor of LA would be forgotten. Californians would rage at Arizona.

California is not going to renegotiate its ownership interest in the power plants.

So.... send the electricity, send the water and don't visit California.

You will not be missed.
AZ didn't call for CA to renegotiate its ownership in the power plants. They called for LA to renegotiate their contracts to supply electricity. Don't confuse yourself, it isn't conducive to the discussion.
Old 05-20-2010, 01:36 PM
Location: Winnetka, IL & Rolling Hills, CA
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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic View Post

Utah is underpopulated and has never suffered chronic power shortages.
Actually Utah has suffered power and water shortages and has been investing in renewable sources of energy for many years. Utah is also not underpopulated, it has a larger and faster growing population than Nevada.

Nevada is also coming upon power and water shortages in the next few years.
Old 05-20-2010, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by steelstress View Post
AZ didn't call for CA to renegotiate its ownership in the power plants. They called for LA to renegotiate their contracts to supply electricity. Don't confuse yourself, it isn't conducive to the discussion.

What isn't conducive is the complete lack of knowledge concerning issues like this. Los Angeles owns part of the plants that provide electricity from Arizona. There's nothing to negotiate other than the OWNERSHIP interest Los Angeles has in the plants.

Gary Pierce is just another Teabag controlled Arizona politician. Arizona seems to have many of these blowhards in control of the State.

So get the story straight. This is from an Arizona newspaper.


Only thing is, Pierce admitted that if push came to shove, there's nothing or his colleagues on the commission can legally do about it. Interstate power sales are federally regulated.

Austin Beutner, general manager of the L.A. Department of Water and Power, said his city gets between 20 and 25 percent of its daily power from Arizona, some from the city's 5.7 percent ownership of the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and the balance from its 21.2 percent share of the coal-fired Navajo Generating Station.

"Nothing in the city's (boycott) resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those LADWP-owned assets,'' he said.

Pierce told Capitol Media Services that while Villaraigosa might have interpreted the letter as a threat, the commission is powerless either to force Los Angeles to divest its share of Palo Verde or stop Arizona utilities from selling power into California. But he said a message still needed to be sent.

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Old 05-20-2010, 04:02 PM
Location: California
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no body is going to cut power off to anyone, thats not even up to Arizona, they just simply stated if LA wants to boycott then they should stop buying power fron Arizona, 25% of thier power comes from Arizona, in reality you need to renegosiate power purchase agreements and contracts which can takes years to do. This is just so funny, a state adopts a law that is already federal and wants to enforce it and the people go crazy and start screaming but yet they passed the same law federaly years ago.
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