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Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
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before the moderators close this thread to move it to the immigration forum. HINT HINT HINT
Some guy crosses the border and starts earning money and even more important, starts consuming goods and services. So which grocery store loses his business? Which gas station doesn't collect it's incremental pittance?
Economic (capitalist, of which I'm a big fan) theory says you need an expanding market in order to produce profits. More people, more profits. Throw out (if it were indeed possible) "illegal" immigrants and watch your economy take a big dump.
before the moderators close this thread to move it to the immigration forum. HINT HINT HINT
Some guy crosses the border and starts earning money and even more important, starts consuming goods and services. So which grocery store loses his business? Which gas station doesn't collect it's incremental pittance?
Economic (capitalist, of which I'm a big fan) theory says you need an expanding market in order to produce profits. More people, more profits. Throw out (if it were indeed possible) "illegal" immigrants and watch your economy take a big dump.
If Americans had those jobs instead, they'd be spending it too. A lot of the money illegals earn actually leaves the country and never comes back. How does that benefit California? Your argument is going to be a tough sell with the high unemployment we have today.
If Americans had those jobs instead, they'd be spending it too. A lot of the money illegals earn actually leaves the country and never comes back. How does that benefit California? Your argument is going to be a tough sell with the high unemployment we have today.
People don't try to think w/ their brains Escape .. They yield most often to confirmation bias and populism when forming their baseless/illogical conclusions. Sadly, they somehow feel affirmed that what they are saying is indeed factual .... When you point out that they are wrong, they don't accept it and thank you for the correction .. They instead get like a 2 year old and respond as if you are personally attacking them as opposed to getting at the truth.
If Americans had those jobs instead, they'd be spending it too. A lot of the money illegals earn actually leaves the country and never comes back. How does that benefit California? Your argument is going to be a tough sell with the high unemployment we have today.
Since the illegals work, eat, and live in CA, their money gets spent in CA and CA therefore benefits from it. Do you think illegals cross the border back to Mexico to buy lunch there, then come back to the US after their lunch break to their job they allegedly stole from you?
And as far as illegals stealing jobs is concerned, I've heard it said that they are lazy bums who don't work. They are leeches of the welfare system, they sit on their butts watching TV the whole day, breeding anchor babies, collecting food stamps....yada yada....
Excuse me? Can you guys not even get your story straight? On one corner of your mouth, you say illegals steal your jobs. On the other corner, you say they are lazy bums who don't work. So which is it? Do illegals work, or don't they?
Most important of all, who says you are entitled to a job? Where does it say in the US constitution that having a job is a basic right of an American citizen?
People don't try to think w/ their brains Escape ..
Hey genius..... answer the question I asked you earlier. Do you think anchor babies who came here involuntarily are analogous to the slaves brought here involuntarily from Africa? Should anchor babies be accorded the full rights of American citizenship just as black slaves were accorded those rights under the 14th amendment?
Since the illegals work, eat, and live in CA, their money gets spent in CA and CA therefore benefits from it. Do you think illegals cross the border back to Mexico to buy lunch there, then come back to the US after their lunch break to their job they allegedly stole from you?
And as far as illegals stealing jobs is concerned, I've heard it said that they are lazy bums who don't work. They are leeches of the welfare system, they sit on their butts watching TV the whole day, breeding anchor babies, collecting food stamps....yada yada....
Excuse me? Can you guys not even get your story straight? On one corner of your mouth, you say illegals steal your jobs. On the other corner, you say they are lazy bums who don't work. So which is it? Do illegals work, or don't they?
Most important of all, who says you are entitled to a job? Where does it say in the US constitution that having a job is a basic right of an American citizen?
None are so blind as those who will not see. Try a little research and discover how many billions of dollars (Yes! That's billions with a "B") they send back to Mexico each year. That's money earned but not spent here.
None are so blind as those who will not see. Try a little research and discover how many billions of dollars (Yes! That's billions with a "B") they send back to Mexico each year. That's money earned but not spent here.
What proportion of their earnings do they send to Mexico and what proportion do they spend locally in CA? Since you are the one making the assertion that billions are transferred to Mexico, you provide the data.
Also, show us how illegal Mexicans are able to ship money back to Mexico. Do they stuff dollar bills inside brown envelopes and slip these across the border? Are you so naive as to believe that they actually risk losing their money that way?
Or do they remit the money through bank to bank transfers? And if they do that, doesn't the bank skim off a fee for the transaction? Since these banks are presumably on US soil (American banks), don't they pay taxes on the income generated from these fees? Don't these taxes get recirculated back to the US Treasury, which then puts the money back out to the US economy in the normal course maintaining monetary policy?
Further... So we are clear.. When you are unemployed.. There is no such thing as : Jobs that American's dont want to work. We have 13% unemployment in california : Google - public data
Don't tell me there are jobs that Americans don't want to work and that's why we need Mexican immigrants to pick carrots, etc. I have my Masters in Electrical and Computer Engineering and I'd scrub toilets and bag groceries if necessary to secure food/water/shelter.....
Come now. You know better than that. You certainly know at least one person who just doesn't want to do hard work.
There are people out there right now who would rather sit on a corner and hold up a sign waiting for handouts than to do menial labor. I can think of four people off the top of my head who are perfectly healthy human beings, capable of working jobs, where I can think of at least 20 positions they could get into, but they don't want to do the work. Hell, one of them used to work at Burger King yet he doesn't want to go back and work for them again even though they guaranteed he would be rehired on the spot. He feels he's "too good" to work there.
Said person has been unemployed for over 10 years. And he is so by his own choice.
None are so blind as those who will not see. Try a little research and discover how many billions of dollars (Yes! That's billions with a "B") they send back to Mexico each year. That's money earned but not spent here.
The estimated sum is 21 of those large B's, 21 billion a year sent home. This revenue is Mexicos second largest source of income, behind only the national oil giant Pemex. Not exactly pocket change. Not surprising that Mexicos politicos wish to keep those rich Yankee dollars flowing south.
It is easy to just spout a number, but facts are better.
Yes, they do get foodstamps and WIC as well.
I know. I live in a neighborhood that's predominantly hispanic and most of them can't speak english. They ALWAYS pull out a foodstamp card.
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like a 2 year old and respond as if you are personally attacking them as opposed to getting at the truth.