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Old 05-21-2010, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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What some posters fail to realize is the sadness and anger among Latinos. The law is a huge insult to 30% of Arizona's population. Anglos have mixed feelings also. And national Black leaders came to Phoenix in support of the protesters. You can't alienate that many people and expect that nothing will happen. And the action is to punish Arizona which will hurt the Latino as much as it does the Anglo. Now Arizona leaders are studying the consequences of this law and wondering if it was a mistake.
Proof please.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Pa
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What some posters fail to realize is the sadness and anger among Latinos. The law is a huge insult to 30% of Arizona's population. Anglos have mixed feelings also. And national Black leaders came to Phoenix in support of the protesters. You can't alienate that many people and expect that nothing will happen. And the action is to punish Arizona which will hurt the Latino as much as it does the Anglo. Now Arizona leaders are studying the consequences of this law and wondering if it was a mistake.
And what has the latino community done to help stem the flow of illegals?
When will they as a community denounce these illegals that have brought such unwelcome attention?
Who supports these illegals? Who enables? Who provides them shelter when they first arrive? Who feeds them? Who helps them to find work?
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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And what has the latino community done to help stem the flow of illegals?
When will they as a community denounce these illegals that have brought such unwelcome attention?
Who supports these illegals? Who enables? Who provides them shelter when they first arrive? Who feeds them? Who helps them to find work?
There is genuine concern about border security among Latinos as well. But the hope for a new life draws people to enter the U.S. These are not terrorists but rather poor\ honest & hard-working people. Would you report a relative to ICE?
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Old 05-21-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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Federal Government you say? Well then, no worries, right?
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Old 05-21-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Proof please.
"Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is meeting with state tourism officials Thursday, and is sure to face tough questions as boycotts protesting the state's tough new immigration law mount. The tourism industry projects huge losses in revenue over the next five years".
As Arizona boycotts mount, governor faces tourism officials - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100513/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2041 - broken link)
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Old 05-21-2010, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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"Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is meeting with state tourism officials Thursday, and is sure to face tough questions as boycotts protesting the state's tough new immigration law mount. The tourism industry projects huge losses in revenue over the next five years".
As Arizona boycotts mount, governor faces tourism officials - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100513/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2041 - broken link)
You stated that "now Arizona leaders are studying the consequences of this law and wondering if it was a mistake." I asked you for proof...

Umm...where in the article (dated May 13th) does it state that Arizona leaders are studying the consequences of this law and wondering if it was a mistake?


Please posts facts, not your fiction.
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Old 05-21-2010, 02:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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What some posters fail to realize is the sadness and anger among Latinos. The law is a huge insult to 30% of Arizona's population. Anglos have mixed feelings also. And national Black leaders came to Phoenix in support of the protesters. You can't alienate that many people and expect that nothing will happen. And the action is to punish Arizona which will hurt the Latino as much as it does the Anglo. Now Arizona leaders are studying the consequences of this law and wondering if it was a mistake.
So, I guess then that Latinos are insulted by immigration law in the U.S. in general, because this law directly mirrors federal law.

Wait, they're not insulted by the law. They're insulted when the law is enforced.

Got it.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Gee, I didn't know governor Perry of Texas and Karl Rove were "the left." Governor Schwarzenegger also condemned it as well as one of the Republican candidates running for governor. Image that?
Please.....you know as well as I do that's it's not for the same reasons. Their criticism is because of the way it's allows the democrats to take issue with it and use it politically against the entire republican party. Republicans that don't live in Arizona, have nothing to gain by supporting it in any way....the only thing it can possibly do is harm them politically if they do.

To give you an example, McCain was the only presidential candidate speaking out in strong support for the surge. In doing that, he was also supporting the Bush administrations new strategy for the war (once Rumsfeld resigned)....all that could be heard from his opponents from then on was, voting for McCain was like voting for four more years of Bush. Once the surge went into full effect, the results were immediately noticed and American casualties were reduced to a fraction of what they had been.....the surge worked. What did McCain end up benefiting by being the only one to support....nothing.....never even heard it brought up that he was right but, you could still hear, "four more years of Bush".
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:17 PM
 
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1. What are Felipe and Antonio meeting about? Maybe more ways to make it easier for illegal immigrants to reside in LA and how it is important to Mexico to feel secure in the U.S.?
2. How can they talk about what America values and how the Arizona law is wrong, but the majority of the U.S. population that was polled agrees with the law?
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Please.....you know as well as I do that's it's not for the same reasons. Their criticism is because of the way it's allows the democrats to take issue with it and use it politically against the entire republican party. Republicans that don't live in Arizona, have nothing to gain by supporting it in any way....the only thing it can possibly do is harm them politically if they do.

To give you an example, McCain was the only presidential candidate speaking out in strong support for the surge. In doing that, he was also supporting the Bush administrations new strategy for the war (once Rumsfeld resigned)....all that could be heard from his opponents from then on was, voting for McCain was like voting for four more years of Bush. Once the surge went into full effect, the results were immediately noticed and American casualties were reduced to a fraction of what they had been.....the surge worked. What did McCain end up benefiting by being the only one to support....nothing.....never even heard it brought up that he was right but, you could still hear, "four more years of Bush".
And the conservative governors of Nevada & Texas have also condemned the Arizona law. Karl Rove may be only interested in Latinos as possible voters but other Republicans prefer an open border for cheap labor. John McCain changes his opinion every other day [he was a strong advocate for amnesty up until the current primary]. Not very principled but reality is that decisions require compromise in a democracy.
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