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Old 10-17-2010, 04:39 PM
 
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I've been watching "Border Wars" on the National Geographic channel. In an episode about Rio Grande City (near Falcon Lake) the border patrol commented on neighborhood houses being used by lookouts .. "they see use coming and warn the smugglers". The BP seems understaffed with many episodes showing a few guards hiding in the woods then running around a field trying to catch illegals in the dark. A more military operation with more men, better tactics, communications, & command&control would seem to be a more effective solution if the gov't was serious. The downside is that so far it's more of a game with illegals surrendering peacefully and with good relations with their captors - a more combat type operation might raise the stakes and the danger. I'd have no problems with an Iraqi type operation on the border but with the aim of capturing not killing.
You're right - it's all nothing but a game.

Even when the cartels decide to move over to the USA side, they have all the right papers and visa laser cards and they simply drive on over in their big new SUV's with their belongings. The border patrol isn't chasing down the big-money types. It makes a display of sometimes getting some fairly harmless gardener or housekeeper so people will think it's all real. Then they let them go like they let everyone go.

Even the illegals just laugh at what a cat-and-mouse game it is, and meanwhile the cartels become more powerful and more greedy and more dangerous. Visa selling at the US Consulates has gone on for years - and if people like me know about it, you can be sure the government knows about it.
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Old 10-17-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: NW Houston
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a more combat type operation might raise the stakes and the danger. I'd have no problems with an Iraqi type operation on the border but with the aim of capturing not killing.
Unfortunately, I don't think you can separate the two. In order to effectively capture, you have to be prepared to kill. Not everyone will surrender quietly.

Our military is designed to kill and destroy. They are extremely good at that. We lost over 4000 soldiers in Iraq but probably over 99% of them came while "peacekeeping". When operating in offensive combat mode as in the initial assault or clearing out Fallujah or other raids we seldom took losses. But they are not really designed for law enforcement of a civilian population. That's why the govt has been so reluctant to put them on the border.
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Old 10-17-2010, 06:55 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Unfortunately, I don't think you can separate the two. In order to effectively capture, you have to be prepared to kill. Not everyone will surrender quietly.

Our military is designed to kill and destroy. They are extremely good at that. We lost over 4000 soldiers in Iraq but probably over 99% of them came while "peacekeeping". When operating in offensive combat mode as in the initial assault or clearing out Fallujah or other raids we seldom took losses. But they are not really designed for law enforcement of a civilian population. That's why the govt has been so reluctant to put them on the border.
Solution: create a Federal Constabulary under DHS in peace and DOD in war. Like the US Coast Guard, it would have both military and federal law enforcement status. Primary mission would be border defense (absorb the existing US Border Patrol) and military police (absorb all existing law enforcement agencies under the DOD), secondary mission would be coast guard (absorb the existing US Coast Guard), executive protection (absorb the existing US Secret Service), airport security, riot control and various other internal security duties.

Minimum of 500,000 personnel. Armored vehicles, helicopters, armed patrol boats and corvettes, surveillance aircraft, light artillery, mortars, machine guns, grenade launchers ... the whole works.
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