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Old 05-21-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...3655b4465.html

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Arizona's controversial new immigration law probably would withstand legal challenges on constitutional grounds, according to a panel of three University of San Diego law professors.
There are no constitutional grounds to challenge this law.

If it is implemented as it is written, then it will likely stand.

 
Old 05-21-2010, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by californio sur View Post
Hey, don't get me wrong. I support closing the border for national security & population concerns. I don't know any national leader who wants the border to remain wide open. Some governors, however, want cheap labor & are willing to ignore the problem. The issue with the Arizona law is how it is being perceived by Latinos and many other Americans. The mistake Arizona made was under-estimating the reaction this law would create. The governor was cautioned not to sign it weeks before. I understand that she was facing strong opposition to raising taxes [that actually passed]. Brewer chose to take the gamble & it may end up being a costly mistake.
Then please understand this, really.

The purpose for Arizona passing this legislation was to get the Federal Government to actually DO something about the border, not because AZ just decided to do things on their own. AZ is the state that has experienced the brunt of the illegal crossings, drug smugglings, kidnappings, etc. due to our border not being secure. Brewer has even said that. Brewer hasn't chosen to take a gamble, Arizona has waited and waited and waited. She stated she has sent numerous letters to the government and still nothing has been done, just like it wasn't being done while Napolitano was Governor of AZ (although she's quite the liar now, but Brewer has documentation to prove that Napolitano did send requests).

Arizona is also paying to educate and house the illegal immigrants which is straining our state's resources and one of the reasons our state is in such a poor financial position. Ultimately, we in AZ WANT the federal government to do something and take charge of this situation; however they haven't, so therefore we must get their attention and this is the way to do it. It's not as though it is even a horrible bill as it mirrors the federal one that AGAIN, the federal government is not enforcing.

So, if you agree that our border should be secure, you should be supporting AZ in this fight rather than boycotting AZ because that is exactly what AZ wants as well. A secure border and for the government to pay its bill. If you have a gripe, take it up with the federal government as they are to blame for the situation AZ is having to face.

Jan Brewer's letters to Washington (and some signed by other Governors - Bill Richardson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rick Perry) that were never answered - http://www.securetheborder.org/uploa...werletters.pdf

Last edited by AZLiam; 05-21-2010 at 03:08 PM..
 
Old 05-21-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by californio sur View Post
Hey, don't get me wrong. I support closing the border for national security & population concerns. I don't know any national leader who wants the border to remain wide open. Some governors, however, want cheap labor & are willing to ignore the problem. The issue with the Arizona law is how it is being perceived by Latinos and many other Americans. The mistake Arizona made was under-estimating the reaction this law would create. The governor was cautioned not to sign it weeks before. I understand that she was facing strong opposition to raising taxes [that actually passed]. Brewer chose to take the gamble & it may end up being a costly mistake.
The only scare tactics here are the ones people in support of this silly boycott are trying to use, kinda like you. These scare tactics are only employed to try and manipulate the ignorant masses, or by the ignorant that have no basis for their arguments, we both know that. Instead of trying to make people believe the sky is falling with Arizona.. give me statistics- what percentage of American cities are boycotting? what percentage are not? what percentage of the American people either agree or disagree with the boycott or SB 1070? I gotta have something here to go off of Sur, A skewed article and small percentages of politicians, cities, police departments mean nothing. why are so many states jumping on the SB 1070 bandwagon? why are Whitman and Poizner on the bandwagon? how about Brown? My whole point is this- stop looking at the small picture, take the emotion out of the issue, and use your powerful brain to come up with something with more substance.
 
Old 05-21-2010, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Originally Posted by californio sur View Post
Sorry about the misspelling. But it seems so easy to brush off anything that doesn't agree with you as "a bunch of . . . blah blah blah." You've attacked Los Angeles and many other California cities yet the largest cities in your state are doing the same thing: condemning the Arizona law. When do you at least admit that there are many people unhappy with your state [both inside and outside Arizona]? It is just too easy to make them sound as fringe. So Flagstaff, Bisbee and San Luis are also a bunch of whatever?
There are many unhappy, of course, most of them illegals and there are many more that are happy with the law. Have you paid any attention to any of the polls?

I am sure, I am not the only one that can give you credit for being well read and knowledgable, maybe beyond your years, but the other side of the coin can be the inablility to realize when you are very young you have ideas, but little actually life experiences and it is easy to believe everything you read. Sometime too much knowledge as well as too much arragance can be a bad thing.

Nita
 
Old 05-21-2010, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Originally Posted by AZLiam View Post
Then please understand this, really.

The purpose for Arizona passing this legislation was to get the Federal Government to actually DO something about the border, not because AZ just decided to do things on their own. AZ is the state that has experienced the brunt of the illegal crossings, drug smugglings, kidnappings, etc. due to our border not being secure. Brewer has even said that. Brewer hasn't chosen to take a gamble, Arizona has waited and waited and waited. She stated she has sent numerous letters to the government and still nothing has been done, just like it wasn't being done while Napolitano was Governor of AZ (although she's quite the liar now, but Brewer has documentation to prove that Napolitano did send requests).

Arizona is also paying to educate and house the illegal immigrants which is straining our state's resources and one of the reasons our state is in such a poor financial position. Ultimately, we in AZ WANT the federal government to do something and take charge of this situation; however they haven't, so therefore we must get their attention and this is the way to do it. It's not as though it is even a horrible bill as it mirrors the federal one that AGAIN, the federal government is not enforcing.

So, if you agree that our border should be secure, you should be supporting AZ in this fight rather than boycotting AZ because that is exactly what AZ wants as well. A secure border and for the government to pay its bill. If you have a gripe, take it up with the federal government as they are to blame for the situation AZ is having to face.
I have been saying all along, the law is a protest law, trying to get the federal government to take action like they should have along time ago.

Nita
 
Old 05-21-2010, 03:09 PM
 
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Arizona is in the process of writing a law to clarify portions the immigration law it passed last month.
Arizona should have had the law "clarified" before it passed. It shows how the Arizona gov't poorly prepared its law.
 
Old 05-21-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Jan Brewer's letters to Washington (and some signed by other Governors - Bill Richardson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rick Perry) that were never answered -

http://www.securetheborder.org/uploa...werletters.pdf
 
Old 05-21-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Arizona should have had the law "clarified" before it passed. It shows how the Arizona gov't poorly prepared its law.
Kind of like the way the Federal Government poorly enforces its laws?
 
Old 05-21-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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Arizona should have had the law "clarified" before it passed. It shows how the Arizona gov't poorly prepared its law.
Vicman it was only changed so that people cannot be questioned without committing some kind of crime, to make sure it would hold up in court, and quell some of the unfounded allegations Illegal Immigrant supporters are spreading about the bill being "Racist".

Last edited by Iceman82; 05-21-2010 at 04:01 PM..
 
Old 05-21-2010, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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More cities are joining the boycott of Arizona:

Seattle:
"The City Council on Monday unanimously passed a resolution directing departments not to send employees to the Grand Canyon State and to refrain from doing new business with firms in Arizona to protest the new law".
Seattle votes to boycott Arizona over immigration law

4 more cities in Massachusetts:
"Elected officials in Worchester, Lawrence, Springfield, and Amherst say they are drafting measures similar to the one Boston's City Council passed last week that asks city officials to identify city contracts and purchasing agreements with Arizona and Arizona-based companies, and end them immediately".
4 More Massachusetts Municipalities Eye Arizona Boycott (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/immigration/apx_mass_arizona_boycott_05102010 - broken link)

Columbus, Ohio:
"Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman has banned city employees from traveling to Arizona for official business"
http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/add_...otting_arizona

Cities considering boycotts of Arizona:
Tacoma, WA
Albuquerque, NM
Dallas, TX
New York, NY
Hartford, CN
Coachella, CA

3 More Cities Consider Joining Arizona Boycott | Blue Wave News (http://bluewavenews.com/2010/05/17/3-more-cities-consider-joining-arizona-boycott/ - broken link)
Dallas council members urge consideration of Arizona boycott | wfaa.com | Dallas - Fort Worth Local News
Below is a list of cities who have passed (or are considering passing) boycotts on business in Arizona or have condemned SB 1070. | Somos Republicans

Add the above to theses American cities:
Los Angeles, CA
San Francisco, CA Madison, WI
Austin, TX
West Hollywood, CA
Boston, MA
Oakland, CA
El Paso, TX
St. Paul, MN
Springfield, MA
Worcester, MA
Washington D.C.
Milwaukee, WI
Chicago, IL
NYC, NY
Boulder, CO
St. Paul, MN
Tacoma, WA
Lawrence, MA
Amherst, MA
Sacramento, CA
Baldwin Park, CA
South el Monte, CA
Santa Cruz, CA
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