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Old 05-24-2010, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Earth
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That one bold highlighted sentence is right on!

Their "loyalty" and "allegiance" is to . . . THE RACE . . .
Where have I heard that before?

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]La Raza says it all.

The Protocols of the Elders of Aztlan?
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:27 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Ok.
Maria, a foreign diplomat from Mexico is here on legal business and has the permission of the United States to be here. Maria is 9 months pregnant and about to pop any day.
Her sister, Lucy, shows up unannounced at Maria's hotel door. Lucy is also 9 months pregnant and about to pop. Lucy, however, came across the US - Mexico border without permission.
Next day they both go to the hospital and give birth. Lucy's baby becomes an automatic American citizen with all the rights that go along with that benefit. Maria's baby is given the citizenship of her home country.
THIS is rewarding BAD behavior. Neither baby should be an automatic American citizen!
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Ok.
Maria, a foreign diplomat from Mexico is here on legal business and has the permission of the United States to be here. Maria is 9 months pregnant and about to pop any day.
Her sister, Lucy, shows up unannounced at Maria's hotel door. Lucy is also 9 months pregnant and about to pop. Lucy, however, came across the US - Mexico border without permission.
Next day they both go to the hospital and give birth. Lucy's baby becomes an automatic American citizen with all the rights that go along with that benefit. Maria's baby is given the citizenship of her home country.
You got that almost perfectly correct. The only thing you missed is that Lucy's baby gets the citizenship of her home country too. Her baby is a dual citizen, while Maria's is not.

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THIS is rewarding BAD behavior. Neither baby should be an automatic American citizen!
So go change the Constitution then.

Because that is the way it is under our current one.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:48 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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You got that almost perfectly correct. The only thing you missed is that Lucy's baby gets the citizenship of her home country too. Her baby is a dual citizen, while Maria's is not.


So go change the Constitution then.

Because that is the way it is under our current one.
Nope!
That is the way some see it. Not the way it is.
Ok, so Lucy's baby gets dual citizenship and Maria's doesn't. Ok, that still makes soooo much sense. Still, we are rewarding bad behavior, which is WRONG,WRONG, WRONG.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You're wrong. The exact meaning of the 14th was posted in here by one of the writer's of the 14th many times. This amendment was made to protect the rights of the offspring of black Americans, not illegal aliens. No, their children were not anchors because of the above. Never was it intended to extend our citizenship to the offsprings of those who jumped our borders illegally.
The thing that most of our people don't seem to understand is that babies born to ex-slaves that had been made citizens by law after the War had to be considered natural born since their parents were citizens. I am sure that without that part of the 14th Amendment being there some states would have tried to avoid citizenship for those black babies and that would have been very wrong. The problem here is that because of all the illegals in the nation someone decided to extend that part of the amendment to them, also. It was never intended to be that way.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Sorry, no. It does not.
Your quotation here is a lie. Howard did not say that.

Here is the actual quotation.

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens,
who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

He never mentions "the children of aliens" anywhere in that comment.
Can you tell me that adults are referred to as born in this quote and not children? I guess I just don't see what you see there.
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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You got that almost perfectly correct. The only thing you missed is that Lucy's baby gets the citizenship of her home country too. Her baby is a dual citizen, while Maria's is not.


So go change the Constitution then.

Because that is the way it is under our current one.
Did I just read you saying that you want to change our present Constitution? How many places do you want to change and why?
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Can you tell me that adults are referred to as born in this quote and not children? I guess I just don't see what you see there.
Thanks for seeing what I see.
"This will not, of course, includepersons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens,

I always assumed persons born in the United States meant "babies born". If mom or dad is not a legal American citizen then said child BORN is not.

This is not the planet Ork.
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Nope!
That is the way some see it. Not the way it is.
You are rather badly misinformed.

That is exactly as it now is.

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Ok, so Lucy's baby gets dual citizenship and Maria's doesn't. Ok, that still makes soooo much sense. Still, we are rewarding bad behavior, which is WRONG,WRONG, WRONG.
I am fully aware you feel that way.

But until you change the Constitution, tough.
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Can you tell me that adults are referred to as born in this quote and not children?
Either.

There are actually adults who are "persons born in the United States" you know?

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I guess I just don't see what you see there.
It's what we don't see there that is at issue. We do not see "children of" foreigners, or "children of" aliens.

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