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Old 05-24-2010, 03:13 PM
 
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Did I just read you saying that you want to change our present Constitution? How many places do you want to change and why?
It is only an amendment we would like to have re-interpreted the way it was meant by the writers of it, not the whole Constitution. It never ceases to amaze me how the pro-illegals like to make a mountain out of a molehill. Well, I guess if you have no viable arguments to support illegal immigration and the abuses from it such as birthright citizenship desperate people will make desperate statements.
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Did I just read you saying that you want to change our present Constitution?
Nope. You didn't.

You read me pointing out that if you want to deny American citizenship to "anchor babies," then you have to change the Constitution.

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How many places do you want to change and why?
I don't have any energy on the "anchor baby" issue whatsoever, so I have no desire to change the Constitution.

But if you wanted to, you would have to propose and ratify a 28th Amendment that augmented or repealed the first sentence of the 14th Amendment.
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I always assumed persons born in the United States meant "babies born".
Well, that would be dumb.

Does a baby who reaches toddlerhood or adolescence suddenly stop being a "person born in the United States?" Do they magically become people born in Armenia once they are no longer babies?

What a neat trick that would be.

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If mom or dad is not a legal American citizen then said child BORN is not.
In some countries.

But not here in the United States.
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Well, that would be dumb.

Does a baby who reaches toddlerhood or adolescence suddenly stop being a "person born in the United States?" Do they magically become people born in Armenia once they are no longer babies?

What a neat trick that would be.


In some countries.

But not here in the United States.
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:10 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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In some countries.

But not here in the United States.

Houston, we have a problem!
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Houston, we have a problem!
So stop whining about it.

Fix it.
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Old 05-24-2010, 06:14 PM
 
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the reason the Mexican American population increase so fast is because each of the illegal mother have at least 4-8 anchor babies. We are indirectly raising their children. I have not seen many illegal family have all of their kids finish high school.
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Old 05-24-2010, 06:26 PM
 
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the reason the Mexican American population increase so fast is because each of the illegal mother have at least 4-8 anchor babies. We are indirectly raising their children. I have not seen many illegal family have all of their kids finish high school.
I would like to post this again, for those of you that missed it the last time around..

For much of the 20th century, the average Mexican woman gave birth to seven children. That number has since decreased to an average of 2.5 children per family, largely due to family planning. CNN - Mexico's birth rate drops as planners worry about future - July 28, 1999

I fear that our Government will continue to pay lip service to the American people, while allowing this problem to grow. I see my local politicians pandering to the Hispanic vote, here is my take on this. The above article forgot to mention that during times of recession, birthrates are historically low. Birthrates in America have dropped below the replacement rate (and that is counting the anchor babies). I do not think Mexican's are no longer a Catholic majority, or changed their cultural values overnight- deciding on family planning. We have a crisis in California, anchor babies that are now of voting age are easily manipulated and have family/ parents that are not here legally. In 1965 Los Angeles county was 10% Hispanic, today that percentage has jumped to 47.7%+. Even though the Hispanic community is still lowest voting bloc of all ethnic groups, the high birthrate and legal/ illegal immigrant influx will make it impossible to secure our great country within the next few decades, if not now. "The sheer numbers are staggering. In Stockton, California (2003), 70 percent of the 2,300 babies, born in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies." http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters4608 (broken link)
If illegal immigration is allowed to continue that statistic will be coming to a city near you. But in all fairness, the second and third generation should be assimilated, more educated and contributing to America right?

"Despite sixty years of political and legal battles to improve the education of Mexican Americans, they continue to have the lowest average education levels and the highest high school dropout rates among major ethnic and racial groups in the United States. … However, leading analysts, apparently believing in the universality of assimilation, argue that this is the result of a large first and second generation population still adjusting to American society. … These and other scholars predict that Mexican Americans will have the same levels of education and socioeconomic status as the dominant non-Hispanic white population by the fourth generation."

Ok.. so we wait four generations (only 80 years) for them to assimilate and become educated..

"In education, which best determines life chances in the United States, assimilation is interrupted by the second generation and stagnates thereafter."

Uuuh oooh...

"Sadly and directly in contradistinction to assimilation theory, the fourth generation differs the most from whites, with a college completion rate of only 6 percent [compared to 35 percent for whites of that era]."

We are screwed...

"…the educational progress of Mexican Americans does not improve over the generations. At best, given the statistical margin of error, our data show no improvement in education over the generations-since-immigration and in some cases even suggest a decline."
"…rather than improvements in education in subsequent generations-since-immigration, as assimilation theory predicts, we find quite the opposite. ... Greater parental education, household income, social and cultural capital, and fewer children all contribute to more schooling. However, when these factors are held constant, the highest levels of schooling are for those who immigrated as children but were educated in the United States and the lowest for the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren of immigrants."

Well, they might not desire an education, but they did assimilate by the fourth generation, right?

The great majority of American-born Mexican Americans could speak English, but according to the interviewers 24 percent of the fourth generation Baby Boomers still had a Spanish accent. This marks them out as a distinctive minority.

Ok fine then! at least they identify themselves as being American!

Self-identification as a minority was strong among the American-born Baby Boomer children (especially considering that nine percent of them had one white Anglo parent). "Mexican American" or some variation was the ethnic identity of choice for 44 percent. "Hispanic" (or another pan-Latin term such as "Latino") was selected by 29 percent. "Mexican" or "Mexicano" was favored by 17 percent. Only eight percent selected "American," one percent "white," and one percent "Anglo."

I know, I know. Obviously I must have gotten this info from some Hispanic hating racist, right? This study was conducted by the UCLA Chicano Studies Research Center! this is a longitudinal analyses conducted by surveys from 1965-2000. the book is titled Generations of Exclusion: Mexican Americans, Assimilation, and Race Telles, Ortiz 2008.
So this is my ultimate fear: masses of uneducated, ethnocentric people voting on issues like immigration. It's no wonder politicians are doing very little on illegal immigration, they would rather have ignorant people voting with feelings instead of logic. And to let you know Telles and Ortiz wrote the book and justified their surprise findings with this statement: "America's public schools have failed most Mexican Americans, contrary to what they did for European Americans." So remember Americans.. WE are to blame!
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:43 PM
 
Location: TEXAS
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I don't have any energy on the "anchor baby" issue whatsoever, so I have no desire to change the Constitution.
What do you mean by "any energy on the anchor baby issue"?

Clarify, please.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So stop whining about it.

Fix it.

Working on it as we speak/type

News at 10
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