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I could go along with this as long as it was part of a comprehensive package with amnesty and it plainly stated that at least one of the parents had to have a "legal presence" in the country as opposed to being a "citizen" like his proposal says. 2 people that are here legally - such as Permanent Residents- who have children are obviously intending that their children be citizens of the USA. There is no reason to bar them from being such.
There is already a precedence for this, from a Chinese immigrant who was here legally, he ran a business, and raised his children in the US, and his children were considered American citizens. I cannot remember the exact case ATM.
I think you have a legit question but the answer is that many of these children often end up on public aid, health aid and of course must be educated.
So what?
You do realize that there are far more American Citizens on financial aid, welfare and are suffering in education than children and parents who are illegal aliens, right?
You do realize that most children of illegal aliens born in the US are sent back with their parents to their home country; many do not return to the US until well into their adulthood or do not even return at all.
This is nothing more than a strawman argument.
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We simply cannot afford to support everybody from Mexico.
this statement shows exactly the ongoing racist comments through this thread.
You do realize that many of them do not simply come from Mexico right? What about Costa Rica? Nicaragua ? Cuba? chile? Armenian Immgirants? North Koreans? Russians? china?
Immigrants come to America from all over the world; yet all I see in this thread is "$$#%#$% the Mexicans"
There is already a precedence for this, from a Chinese immigrant who was here legally, he ran a business, and raised his children in the US, and his children were considered American citizens. I cannot remember the exact case ATM.
US vs Wong Kim Ark
Chinese couldn't become citizens because of the Chinese Exclusion Act. So Wong Kim Ark, born in San Francisco was considered a Natural Born Citizen, because the only other type of citizen (naturalized) wasn't afforded to anyone of Chinese Descent.
It needs to be amended. We should not let anyone to just cross our border to have a baby and grant it full citizenship.
Go for it, then.
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Originally Posted by Wapasha
We do not force people who visit our country, foreign ambassadors, or clergy to make their child a US citizen. We need to have a law and a treaty with all nations to respect the citizenship of their citizens, by allowing their children born here, to retain the same citizenship status as that of their parents, especially if they broke our immigration laws.
Uhhh.... not really even close.
You were right only about the foreign ambassadors (and diplomatic staffs). The "subject to the jurisdiction" clause also exempts hostile occupying armies. But everybody else (to include tourists, clergy, or people just passing through)... their kids born on US soil are natural born American citizens regardless of any treaties with their home countries.
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/Chase.jpg (broken link) Maryland required a belief of the Christian faith to be naturalized. We should do the same.
I thought you were a strong supporter of the constitution. So now you want to pick and choose which parts are good and which are bad in your opinion?
We've repealed an Amendment before because it was shortsighted and caused more bad than good. This is another -- I hate to say it because I fear that I'll get called a racist, but laws requiring your grandparents to be citizens in order for you to become a citizen would work very well.
You were right only about the foreign ambassadors (and diplomatic staffs). The "subject to the jurisdiction" clause also exempts hostile occupying armies. But everybody else (to include tourists, clergy, or people just passing through)... their kids born on US soil are natural born American citizens regardless of any treaties with their home countries.
Natural born citizens are from US citizen parents. You know this. Remember Morse and Vattel.
Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100521/pl_ynews/ynews_pl2192 - broken link)
"The author of Arizona's immigration law told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens."
This man should run for President.
Passing that law would be the best day this country had in a long time. Watch how much money magically will free up in CA,NYC,Mia, ARI and TEX
We all know when Congress passes an Act is for their benefit not ours.
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