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Old 05-24-2010, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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That's the issue most opponents have of the Arizona law. Asking someone who has not been lawfully arrested to prove their citizenship is a problem many of the critics have. The California law also does not allow race to be used as a factor.
Neither does the AZ law. Read it. The critics of the AZ law are lemmings and just lock step in line and run their mouths. Our law is less invasive than the Federal law and nowhere in this law does it single out Mexicans. Did you know that the Supreme Court passed legislation stating that any, ANY law enforcement officer has the right to pull over or stop ANYONE they choose to and demand papers, even without a crime being commited. Stupid people will continue to rant and rave.
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Are you purposely misinforming people? I think you are... Where in the AZ law does it say that they are allowed to use race as a factor?
It does not allow for racial profiling and Brewer had the bill amended to make sure that is not the case. Again, stupidity is rampant and they see only what they want to see and disregard the rest.
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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Neither does the AZ law. Read it. The critics of the AZ law are lemmings and just lock step in line and run their mouths. Our law is less invasive than the Federal law and nowhere in this law does it single out Mexicans. Did you know that the Supreme Court passed legislation stating that any, ANY law enforcement officer has the right to pull over or stop ANYONE they choose to and demand papers, even without a crime being commited. Stupid people will continue to rant and rave.
Evidence?
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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It does not allow for racial profiling and Brewer had the bill amended to make sure that is not the case. Again, stupidity is rampant and they see only what they want to see and disregard the rest.
Bill states that a case will be thrown out if race is the ONLY factor. For those who failed 3rd grade grammer, that means it can be one of MANY factors.
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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That's the issue most opponents have of the Arizona law. Asking someone who has not been lawfully arrested to prove their citizenship is a problem many of the critics have. The California law also does not allow race to be used as a factor.
Neither does the Arizona law. Have you read the 10 page document?
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Evidence?
Go look it up on the governors website. Only 10 pages, should be easy to find.
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Neither does the AZ law. Read it. The critics of the AZ law are lemmings and just lock step in line and run their mouths. Our law is less invasive than the Federal law and nowhere in this law does it single out Mexicans. Did you know that the Supreme Court passed legislation stating that any, ANY law enforcement officer has the right to pull over or stop ANYONE they choose to and demand papers, even without a crime being commited. Stupid people will continue to rant and rave.
Just like the DHS Chief, AG Holder and Deputy SOS Crowley, they haven't read the bill.
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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it is enforced. once a perp lands in custody or jail they are questioned about their legal status and, if deemed necessary, put with other illegals.

its been going on for a while now.

people are just misinformed.

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Section 834b. The only difference being I guess is that Calif. doesn't enforce theirs.

CA Codes (pen:833-851.90)




Granted, this is for those who are arrested it seems, but what is really the difference when a person is stopped and believed to be an illegal?

Would they be "racial profiling" those who are Hispanic?
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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it is enforced. once a perp lands in custody or jail they are questioned about their legal status and, if deemed necessary, put with other illegals.

its been going on for a while now.

people are just misinformed.
Problem is that Arizona law allow questioning of legal status for people who HAVE NOT been arrested. There lies the problem.
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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well "lawful contact" has not been defined as of yet (stupid to pass this law without specific terms), but from what i understand "LC" would include an arrest. the question then is: would a witness talking to the police be considered lawful contact?
once those parameters are set, then this law can be defended or derided. at this point i think its a silly law if it is carried out the way people are fearing it will be. if it is like the LA county policy to question perps... no problem.

but i do understand the problems with possibbly stretching/extending the definition of lawful contact. there was a curious case in costa mesa several years back. a guy riding his bike without a helmet was stopped by the cops and subsequently questioned about his status. (lawful contact based on not wearing a helmet) he was illegal and deportation proceedings were started. would a cop use any trivial crime to detain and question people?
maybe. who knows...

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Problem is that Arizona law allow questioning of legal status for people who HAVE NOT been arrested. There lies the problem.
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