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Old 05-29-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Northern VA (for now)
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Just heard on the news.

Will that be enough and why did it take so long to do this? I think it is the polls.
Political stunt just in time for midterm elections. America is PO'd about the immigration situation and Obama and Congress know it.
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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Just a suggestion, no I do not have any idea how much it would cost. I was hoping some others would give answers so I can either encourage or put to rest this suggestion. To me military presence (true presence) makes sense. Maybe if one were shut down, another to be opened? Some type of military presence on our borders to secure them. I mean, if all the monies that were allocated toward the fence could be used, or finding monies from other sources, all the monies saved by getting illegal aliens off of our SS systems, etc.?
Sorry I didn't see this post sooner. Too much to read all over the place!

The cost of all the building, vehicles and other 'needs' to get everything up and going would very likely meet or exceed the money allocated for it. And the money to just pay all those NG and BP agents. The BP agents are well paid for their work and have extremely good bennies. But they work hard for it too so it's kinda hard to begrudge them.

It boggles the mind to think of how much money, just our state, would be able to save without all the "extra" costs of illegals...of all sorts.

I think the military bases are probably situated where they are best utilized but I've always wondered why most of the BP stations are so far from the actual border. Some aren't but it seems like most are. The border is, after all, our first line of defense.
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Verde Valley AZ
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Plans need to be underway now so that after the majority of the marxists in Congress are replaced by conservatives in Nov, Congress could initiate action to enact a new law that would set forth in clear terms a statement of the rules for using military forces for homeland security and for enforcing the laws of the United States. Things have changed a lot since 1878, and the Posse Comitatus Act is not only irrelevant but is an impediment to the actual needs and effective use of military forces for domestic duties. Up to 10,000 unwanted uninvited illegal border jumpers and terrorists breaking in every day, day after day, and we can't put armed NG troops patroling along the border because of a vague ambiguous antiquated law that the marxists hide behind?
I don't much care for the word "marxist", or any of the other derogatory words used to describe our current administration. I don't agree with some of the stuff they are doing but I know they are NOT marxist, or fascists, or whatever else you wish to call them. Nor do I use the word "teabagger" to describe Tea Party activists. What good does name calling do? None.

Having said that...we, none of us, knows what goes on behind the walls of Washington so I don't feel I can actually say they are "doing nothing" or aren't "making plans" because I'm sure they are. I would love to be a fly on the wall at those meetings.

I think you exaggarate about the "10,000 unwanted uninvited illegal border jumpers....every day". It's not near that many and what you say might be more believable if you didn't exaggarate. There ARE too many, IMO, and it needs to be stopped. But not that many!

Not for one minute do I believe the NG would be unarmed! They aren't going to put them out there as sitting ducks just asking to be shot/shot at without some protection. I have a cousin who's a pretty high up muckety muck in the AZ NG and I'm wondering if he'd tell me anything. Hmmmmm...maybe I'll try.
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:31 PM
 
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Just read about this on Tucson News.

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Giffords also says in a statement Tuesday that President Barack Obama will request $500 million in funding for border security.
What does this mean? What is he planning to do? If he isn't going to close the border, then that $500 million is going to be a waste.
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Plans need to be underway now so that after the majority of the marxists in Congress are replaced by conservatives in Nov.FONT]
Roguer,

I think you mean we need "Real Nationalist Conservatives" not the standard Neo-Con paulbearers we have had over the last 50 years.
We know what Obama is, heck as much as I hate to say it he has been honest since day one. A pure far leftist with a radical agenda to totally transform America as we know it! He ran on that platform and won on it. Then again, what was he running against, McCain? This open border Neo-Con is now having a "change of face" All the sudden he is Mr. Border Control? Give me a break! Heck McCain has always been open borders and was even a key player in the 1986 Amnesty Act signed into place by Reagan.

The issue is now that America is finally and unfortunately coming full circle. We are stuck with a Socialist in the White House, our legislative branch is full of criminals and loons and our boundaries no longer exist. It amazes me how we focus on the Mexican border and rightly so, but fail to look at the big picture, which is this current government both executive and legislative maintaining power at all costs. Mexico has all the attention, but what about all the federal airlifts now coming in from Haiti, Nigeria, Somalia, and part of E. Europe from Kosovo etc. All one needs to do is go to Lewistown, Maine, NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, and even Louisville. Just think of all the future voters for leftist and neo-cons.

I think the best description right now for our government is "Banana Republic"
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Old 05-29-2010, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I dont think the troops have the skills and educational background ICE officers have. It would literally take months of training and we dont have the resources or the time to do it. If the troops focus on tracking down illegal transpassers that would free up ICE officers and ICE can focus on detaining and processing. I still think this is a step in the right direction but I get your point. Just simply not trained for it.
Well actually we do have troops trained for border security. 28,500 currently manned up on the border between North and south Korea.
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Old 05-29-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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Roguer,

I think you mean we need "Real Nationalist Conservatives" not the standard Neo-Con paulbearers we have had over the last 50 years.
We know what Obama is, heck as much as I hate to say it he has been honest since day one. A pure far leftist with a radical agenda to totally transform America as we know it! He ran on that platform and won on it. Then again, what was he running against, McCain? This open border Neo-Con is now having a "change of face" All the sudden he is Mr. Border Control? Give me a break! Heck McCain has always been open borders and was even a key player in the 1986 Amnesty Act signed into place by Reagan.

The issue is now that America is finally and unfortunately coming full circle. We are stuck with a Socialist in the White House, our legislative branch is full of criminals and loons and our boundaries no longer exist. It amazes me how we focus on the Mexican border and rightly so, but fail to look at the big picture, which is this current government both executive and legislative maintaining power at all costs. Mexico has all the attention, but what about all the federal airlifts now coming in from Haiti, Nigeria, Somalia, and part of E. Europe from Kosovo etc. All one needs to do is go to Lewistown, Maine, NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, and even Louisville. Just think of all the future voters for leftist and neo-cons.

I think the best description right now for our government is "Banana Republic"
you are speakin to tha choir here
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Old 05-29-2010, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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I don't much care for the word "marxist", or any of the other derogatory words used to describe our current administration. I don't agree with some of the stuff they are doing but I know they are NOT marxist, or fascists, or whatever else you wish to call them. Nor do I use the word "teabagger" to describe Tea Party activists. What good does name calling do? None.

Having said that...we, none of us, knows what goes on behind the walls of Washington so I don't feel I can actually say they are "doing nothing" or aren't "making plans" because I'm sure they are. I would love to be a fly on the wall at those meetings.

I think you exaggarate about the "10,000 unwanted uninvited illegal border jumpers....every day". It's not near that many and what you say might be more believable if you didn't exaggarate. There ARE too many, IMO, and it needs to be stopped. But not that many!

Not for one minute do I believe the NG would be unarmed! They aren't going to put them out there as sitting ducks just asking to be shot/shot at without some protection. I have a cousin who's a pretty high up muckety muck in the AZ NG and I'm wondering if he'd tell me anything. Hmmmmm...maybe I'll try.
Never heard the expression, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck or lies like a duck.....? And you would know that our current radical left amnesty democrats aren't marxists how? UP to, as I stated, 10,000 unwanted uninvited illegals breaking in every day is an exaggeration? Plenty of days there must have been a mere 3,000 unwanted uninvited illegals breaking in. Just because the same fed gov who miserably failed to secure the border says that there are only an artificially low 12 million illegals so as to not alarm the sheeple as to just how bad the illegal invasion is and how bad of a job they've been doing doesn't mean that there aren't 30 or 40 million really here. Numbers of illegals in the country who managed to break in are estimated as a percentage of illegals actually apprehended. Now is that an accurate method or what? They could be off by 20 to 30 million.

Only an obama koolaid drinker would think that these 1200 boots on desks NG will be issued live ammo. This is a dog and pony show only.
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Old 05-29-2010, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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Roguer,

I think you mean we need "Real Nationalist Conservatives" not the standard Neo-Con paulbearers we have had over the last 50 years.
We know what Obama is, heck as much as I hate to say it he has been honest since day one. A pure far leftist with a radical agenda to totally transform America as we know it! He ran on that platform and won on it. Then again, what was he running against, McCain? This open border Neo-Con is now having a "change of face" All the sudden he is Mr. Border Control? Give me a break! Heck McCain has always been open borders and was even a key player in the 1986 Amnesty Act signed into place by Reagan.

The issue is now that America is finally and unfortunately coming full circle. We are stuck with a Socialist in the White House, our legislative branch is full of criminals and loons and our boundaries no longer exist. It amazes me how we focus on the Mexican border and rightly so, but fail to look at the big picture, which is this current government both executive and legislative maintaining power at all costs. Mexico has all the attention, but what about all the federal airlifts now coming in from Haiti, Nigeria, Somalia, and part of E. Europe from Kosovo etc. All one needs to do is go to Lewistown, Maine, NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, and even Louisville. Just think of all the future voters for leftist and neo-cons.

I think the best description right now for our government is "Banana Republic"
Well, I'm talking about a good portion of the 6 RINO republicans and the 202 radical left marxist amnesty democrats blocking all attempts to fight illegal immigration hopefully being replaced by real conservatives in Nov. Yes, every so often America forgets what the left is about and takes a swing to the left but quickly realizes the colossal mistake and quickly swings back. This time because of super majorities in the House, Senate and with control of the WH the marxists have been going for the jugular while they can. Banana republic? As long as we have a rigid ideologue pushing a far left agenda but otherwise completely in over his head as far as what it actually takes to be our President, yes, we're now a banana republic.
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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Well, I'm talking about a good portion of the 6 RINO republicans and the 202 radical left marxist amnesty democrats blocking all attempts to fight illegal immigration hopefully being replaced by real conservatives in Nov. Yes, every so often America forgets what the left is about and takes a swing to the left but quickly realizes the colossal mistake and quickly swings back. This time because of super majorities in the House, Senate and with control of the WH the marxists have been going for the jugular while they can. Banana republic? As long as we have a rigid ideologue pushing a far left agenda but otherwise completely in over his head as far as what it actually takes to be our President, yes, we're now a banana republic.
Understand and agree, but here is my thought process. In the past America has and continues to suffer from a short memory, however today I don't think it matters much anymore. It get 's down to one item "Numbers".

I will be surprised (granted, also thankful) if the loons are voted out in November, but I doubt that will happen. For the past quarter century now the left has been air dropping numbers into the country at a record pace. We now have 45% (IRS Numbers) that do NOT pay taxes, we have states that are not just over ran but Bankrupt mostly due to the dependent burden (California bearing #1 with the largest US population) and a (thanks to this administration and yes the RINO one before) SEIU, AFL-CIO, NEA, etc., organized front that "Numbers" will turn out in droves for the left in November.
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