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Old 05-25-2010, 06:09 PM
 
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mlass, with all due respect, I'm not sure how much you have experienced first hand with respect to the negative effects of illegal immigration in Vernon Connecticut.

I for one am happy there is FINALLY some focus on this issue, after years of neglect.

Cesar Chavez himself was against illegal immigration because he recognized it undercut workers in the United States. I am fairly socially liberal, but not very sympathetic to cries about "racism" and "scapegoating," because every dollar that goes to pay to subsidize an illegal immigrants family, or to educate his anchor children or provide public assistance to same are dollars that are NOT being spent on Americans and invited immigrants.

I've also seen the strain on public education, neighborhood degredation and strain on hospital services that come from living in an area with a high level of "extra legal" immigration.

My father is a legal immigrant. He worked construction in the late 80s for $8/hour before getting hurt and diabled on the job. Fast forward to 2010... the prevailing wage for construction jobs is now about the same. The white and black guys my father worked with back then have been largely replaced. Did these Americans suddenly decide they don't want to do construction anymore? When I visit Ohio, white and black guys are working on the highways, construction, etc., so that cannot be the case.

Capitalist GREED is a major factor, as is a willingness to flaunt our laws and take advantage of our system exhibited by many illegal immigrants (pregnancy tourism, etc.)

I only wish that we could have a more vigorous two prong approach: Go after employers who use illegal SLAVE labor, and after illegal immigrantion. Streamline guest worker programs for industries that REALLY need such labor to survive (this system is already in place, but business is no lazy and dependent on their backway of doing things that it is often ignored). Attack supply AND demand for illegal labor.


The fact that nobody with common sense or level headedness has stepped into the picture until now has ALLOWED extremism to enter the picture on the issue on both ends of the debate!
OK, OK...you make a few valid points....but what about the Gas Chambers? Don't you realize that if this Arizona law takes effect, it will be just a matter of time before 'Flagstaff' and 'Gila Bend' become synonymous with 'Dachau' and 'Auschwitz'? With half the population cowering in their homes, afraid to come outside because of their physical appearance, and the rest running around in mobs, searching out anyone who looks 'different', who's to say that Phoenix may not soon be just another 'Soweto'?
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:21 PM
 
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So automatically anyone who doesn't favor rounding up immigrants and Hispanics is pro open borders and pro amnesty? No middle ground? You are either a fascist or an unrealistic naive open borders supporter.
I would just like the ILLEGAL ones rounded up.. You also have a problem with that too don't you?
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Wichita,Kansas
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I try to listen to both sides on many issues but the pro-amnesty open border crowd..
Never seems to make any sense to me at all.
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Old 05-25-2010, 06:42 PM
 
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OK, OK...you make a few valid points....but what about the Gas Chambers? Don't you realize that if this Arizona law takes effect, it will be just a matter of time before 'Flagstaff' and 'Gila Bend' become synonymous with 'Dachau' and 'Auschwitz'? With half the population cowering in their homes, afraid to come outside because of their physical appearance, and the rest running around in mobs, searching out anyone who looks 'different', who's to say that Phoenix may not soon be just another 'Soweto'?
I am more concerned about the implementation of AZ SB 2010, which will require all persons of suspected "Latino" origin and/or swarthy complexion to paint the flag representing the country of their origin on their pickup trucks or to hang one from their rear view mirrors.

I heard that Arizona law enforcement has targeted certain areas of the state to test the pilot program, which many Hispanic activists are likening to forcing the Jews to wear stars of David:



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Old 05-25-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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And that is your, and GOP's biggest fear. In fact, they do not want Hispanic and other minority populations to grow because... they lean democratic.

There is an easy solution to your problems. Do not dehumanize people.
if ilegals go home
they wont be hassled by tha usa copps
in mexico I keep my trap shut
dont wanna be in mexico jail sinc i aint mexicon
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Oh please. What exactly are illegals being scapegoated for? Being here illegally? That's not scapegoating. That's reality.
The economic problems, unemployment. When the economy is in the gutter, the people turn to a minority.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:47 PM
 
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And on the other end of the spectrum do you think that if the left legalized all the illegals and got all their votes that they will move on to another group to target and use for votes?
Well stated! Would have repped you but have to spread it around.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:52 PM
 
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The economic problems, unemployment. When the economy is in the gutter, the people turn to a minority.
Really? You have some historical reference to that? This is about illegal immigration not legal minorities in this country.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:53 PM
 
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Can we SERIOUSLY stop with the posters comparing the "scapegoating" of illegal aliens to the Holocaust? This is the most asinine and ignorant argument the left throws at anybody supporting the law. It makes me boil with anger because I have so many Jewish friends and what they and their families had to go through was hell and back compared to the illegal alien plight.

I will make this very clear and simple so you can throw this disgusting argument away:

Illegal aliens are not US citizens. They have no legal right to be here and take jobs away from unemployed low skilled Americans and teenagers. We are attempting to deport them back to their country of origin, not kill them. We ignored the problem until recently when it became so big and uncontrollable that all of America can now see the result of unchecked illegal immigration. We are not scapegoating, because illegal aliens are one of the many major causes of the economy crashing.
Great post. Very well stated and so true.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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OK, OK...you make a few valid points....but what about the Gas Chambers? Don't you realize that if this Arizona law takes effect, it will be just a matter of time before 'Flagstaff' and 'Gila Bend' become synonymous with 'Dachau' and 'Auschwitz'? With half the population cowering in their homes, afraid to come outside because of their physical appearance, and the rest running around in mobs, searching out anyone who looks 'different', who's to say that Phoenix may not soon be just another 'Soweto'?
The only ones cowering in their homes would be illegal aliens. We are supposed to care about that?
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