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Old 05-26-2010, 04:23 PM
 
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I'm not saying a legal immigrant can't be a resident, but why a citizen? What's wrong with legal permanent residency? How many countries require being born in order to be a citizen? Didn't some illegal immigrants in the 1980's become citizens eventually?
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Old 05-26-2010, 04:44 PM
 
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I'm not saying a legal immigrant can't be a resident, but why a citizen? What's wrong with legal permanent residency? How many countries require being born in order to be a citizen? Didn't some illegal immigrants in the 1980's become citizens eventually?
Thirty some countries require at least one or both parents of a newborn to be a citizen or legal resident of their country in order for their newborn to gain instant citizenship. I fail to see what the amnesty of 1986 has to do with the illegal aliens giving birth on our soil today and their offspring gaining instant citizenship of which needs to end.

We already offer a path to citizenship for legal immigrants eventually so not sure what you are actually trying to say. You do know what a naturalized citizen is, don't you?
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Old 05-26-2010, 04:46 PM
 
Location: southern california
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a mechanism needs to be installed very fast to stop illegal immigration, its not amnesty, we alread did that.
kerry said it best in 2000, put live scan thumb print machines at every check point and security post. dont ask who people are, tell them.
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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No--legal immigration works and it is what makes this country great.

The children of ILLEGAL immigrants and as well as those who are the products of birth tourism should not be granted citizenship.

Illegal immigrants themselves should be deported for a period of ten years (as is stated by law) and sent to the back of the line to apply just like everyone else.
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:27 PM
 
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No--legal immigration works and it is what makes this country great.
Correction: legal immigration worked and it was what made this country great.

Today's immigrants are simply feeding at this country's economic trough. Even if you legalized everybody here in CA, we'd still have all the problems we currently have -- you can't bring third worlders into this nation and not expect to turn it into the third world, regardless of whether or not somebody has certain pieces of paper that "legalize" their actions.
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Old 05-26-2010, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Yes legal immigrants should be offered a valid path to citizenship.
No illegal should receive such a grand reward for their life of misdeeds and deception.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:19 PM
 
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Legal immigrants who have the ability and desire to assimilate, have learned the language and love this country should of course have a path to citizenship.

It's completely different when people have zero respect for our laws and culture and demand they be rewarded for breaking any law that doesn't suit them.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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I'm not saying a legal immigrant can't be a resident, but why a citizen? What's wrong with legal permanent residency? How many countries require being born in order to be a citizen? Didn't some illegal immigrants in the 1980's become citizens eventually?
Because a legal resident does not owe allegiance to your country in the same manner a citizen (naturalised or otherwise) does.

Moderator cut: off topic

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Old 05-27-2010, 05:36 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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I'm not saying a legal immigrant can't be a resident, but why a citizen? What's wrong with legal permanent residency? How many countries require being born in order to be a citizen? Didn't some illegal immigrants in the 1980's become citizens eventually?
Some nations still require you to have "heritage" in order to be a citizen, which I think is wrong. The situation in Germany is that some second and third generation Turkish immigrants are not German citizens because they are not of German heritage. That to me is wrong.

However I do not think that being born here should automatically confer citizenship. The only babies born here who should get citizenship are those with at least one US citizen or LPR parent with the paperwork to prove it, or babies that would be absolutely stateless otherwise (for compassionate reasons). The latter scenario is rare. Children of illegals and tourists born here should not be US citizens at birth IMHO.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:51 AM
 
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I'm not saying a legal immigrant can't be a resident, but why a citizen? What's wrong with legal permanent residency? How many countries require being born in order to be a citizen? Didn't some illegal immigrants in the 1980's become citizens eventually?
Why would you want to have a bunch of people living here indefinitely, paying taxes with no voting rights? I don't understand your motives. I'm afraid I don't want to know either.
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